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Goonis38 · (This post was last modified: 06-01-2010 09:08 PM by Goonis38.)

I think the answer to this question will be answered when God is ready... Most likely in the here after, for each and everyone of us... Looking forward to seeing you all there when it's our time...
God bless Mel

**jadewik** · 06-02-2010, 02:22 PM

(06-01-2010 02:21 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote: wait you mean Christ or Yahweh?
Yahweh does not have a birth nor a Father or Mother nor a begining. No where in the Hebrew text does it say Yahweh has a father.
Your concept is to human meaning conception and birth from something else. The Hebrew God was never explained like a greek God's to have Father mother or siblings. He was his own creation there for the begining. No one before him. His lineage according to scripture would be his creation of Man in general because he created man out of his own likeness.

I'm guessing that was addressed to me.

I'm talking about God, with a big G at the front. I try not to confuse God with God or God.

In order to explain which "one" I mean, I'd have to explain my concept of God, which encompasses all religions... and I don't feel like going in depth on that right now. The short version is that I believe in one God who is represented differently according to the religion you're speaking about. In which case, it doesn't matter which God I'm referring to because, for me, they're all the same God-- just different representations of the same God.

As far as Christ is concerned, He's God the Father's son. So He's God Jr. (so-to-speak) He created this Earth under the direction of his Father, God. Since He is of the same lineage of God the Father... He Is Alpha and Omega... and His lineage, as with His Father's, is endless.

You can't expect me to explain eternity, darling. It just isn't possible.... which is why I don't even try. Eternity is eternity. Trying to puzzle it out would result in that one, fleeting moment of clarity which is instantly lost.

God is God is God. Yahweh or Christ-- They're both God.

sundayangelmona · (This post was last modified: 06-02-2010 06:25 PM by sundayangelmona.)

I really don't imagine God like an old man with a beard sitting down in the chair in heaven.I think God is everywhere and in everything.God is creator and Christ is his son.God is in you.So if God is everywhere and everything he
just is and he isn't material so he can be created.I really like the sentence which was not from the Bible but it just agrees with my thoughts:the Kingdom of God is inside you, and all around you, not in mansions of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood... and I am there, lift a stone... and you will find me.
This sentence has been marked as heretic but for me that is the true.

Jenova · 09-07-2010, 01:05 PM

(05-26-2010 11:57 AM)GypsyMoon Wrote: Christian God "I Am" Yahweh; Its says he is the Alpha and the Omega begining and end. So he was never created.

Indeed, I agree

LMC · 09-07-2010, 07:15 PM

(05-26-2010 11:57 AM)GypsyMoon Wrote: Christian God "I Am" Yahweh; Its says he is the Alpha and the Omega begining and end. So he was never created.

oh wow love your answer Gypsy Icontexto-emoticons-06-032x032

I just know God is here and I have faith in God!

trolldoll1681 · 09-07-2010, 09:14 PM

being a non-believer, i think man created god to control man.

Ishamael · (This post was last modified: 10-19-2010 02:56 PM by Ishamael.)

(09-07-2010 09:14 PM)trolldoll1681 Wrote: being a non-believer, i think man created god to control man.

Two points to this trolldoll: 1) Man cannot have created a god to control man. Gods are supreme deities which represent certain forces and/or supernatural states that exist in ...well...existence. 2) You are right in that man created "God". You see the term God is a name that we have given to the sole creator, most powerful, most good, and most knowing being in existence. Humanity has a difficult time accepting or even having faith in a being which they cannot see or identify with. We gave Him that name so that we can personify Him, and to help ourselves relate with Him.

Because we gave God His name, we have a being, an entity, manifestation, more importantly, a focus on our belief. That is all humanity ever needs in order to fall into a certain set of beliefs. Idols are seen everywhere. God is simply another idol.

(05-27-2010 10:48 PM)Goonis38 Wrote: Well there is the God of the most high the creator of heaven, hell, and earth, The Alpha and the Omega... And then it is said in the Bible "indeed there are many Gods, but only one true God". God ol mighty...

Where I agree with there only being one "true God", given my previous statement above, I disagree...I guess with the Bible. In the sense that Christianity is a monotheistic religion, meaning that there only exists one deity, and that deity is the one that has the power to create an entire universe, and heaven and hell, from nothing. What you are suggesting is a polytheistic belief of God. Where-as I agree with you in that sense, that leaves a lot to be questioned in God's existence. If there are more gods that exist, then there are more representations of values and quality out there. These deities would be the level of qualities that would equal "perfection". If God is all-good, or omni-benevolent, then there must exist an all-bad, or omni-malevolent. There is God's antithesis. This being might be capable of his own "heaven"; in which case, you can worship a god more similar to your beliefs, and still go to some form of after-life they might have prepared for you. But, for the sole part, catholics/orthodox/christians believe in a monotheistic view of God.

(05-26-2010 05:09 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote: I believe some creation doesnt need to be created cause it was always there to begin with.

This is my favourite statement! In fact, this is the basis for my own thoughts of how God exists, not who created him. Following a monotheistic, even a polytheistic, view of God, either God is everything, or everything exists in multiple gods. Either way, the personification of these qualities is just a tendency of man to relate to universal laws. Understandably, a philosopher known as Sir Thomas Aquinas has the "5 ways of proving God exists". Where I do not agree with many of them in relation to God as an entity, the logic used for one is fairly sound. These are the premises:
1) Some things are more good, powerful, true, etc. than others
2) 'More' and 'less' is claimed in correlation to 'most'.
3)Therefore, there must be a most good, most true, etc.
4) (Taking from Aristotle) Those things that are greatest in truth are greatest in being.
5) Therefore, there is something that is greatest in being.
6) (Further from Aristotle) "The maximum of any genus is the cause of all in that genus"
Conclusion: That which is most being causes the being of all that is "being, goodness, power, and every other perfection." that is possessed by everything that exist. That being is known to us as God.

My issue is that the "being" of God as an entity, that we believe governs and created us, cannot be both most good and most evil. I believe Aquinas' theory unravels itself, but where it unravels mine might be a little stronger. What if God is not a being, not an entity? What if God is all of the existence of the absence of being, the existence of being, and the existence of all perfections. Not as an entity, but just simply existence. Those qualities do not define his character or personality, but the qualities are apart of him. God is existence. God is both the void that was before things came about, as well as the space between things, the matter of things, and the place after where things go. Further support for this is that it does not hinder science. Where-as science claims to figure out things that "prove" the in-existence of God, I put forward that their theories and discoveries do not discount this theory.

Simply put, humanity must personify things to relate to them. God is perfection. Personified, this existence of God does not work. So maybe we shouldn't be personifying him!

Sorry for it being so long. Needed room to explain.

AngelSlayerPagan · 10-19-2010, 02:59 PM

Humans did. Within the mind.

However, should he be real, hypothetically, I doubt he's exactly like portrayed in any of the major religious texts of modern times. Instead of being an entity, he would be more of a force. This would follow in physics and Newton's laws of physics. For example: Every action must have a reaction, and every action is begun with a pushing force.

Therefore, this force is God. That's how I would try and prove God's existence.

UglyNRude · 10-19-2010, 03:44 PM

(10-19-2010 02:59 PM)AngelSlayerPagan Wrote: Humans did. Within the mind.

However, should he be real, hypothetically, I doubt he's exactly like portrayed in any of the major religious texts of modern times. Instead of being an entity, he would be more of a force. This would follow in physics and Newton's laws of physics. For example: Every action must have a reaction, and every action is begun with a pushing force.

Therefore, this force is God. That's how I would try and prove God's existence.

I actually think very much like this. God is a source of power or as you say a force. We can all tap into this force. It was mans need for power that a God name was added and images were worshiped. It was easier for man to worship something they see then something they didn't understand. Do we need to worship this power? No Should we be aware the power is there when we need it yes.

We as humans are so often wrong when it comes to what we see, and as time goes on it becomes more clouded yet. So what we saw may have been explainable but due to our shortcomings we create something out of it. This is proven every day in life, so did the bible happen as written? No not in my opinion.

Now are any of us better then the other for our thoughts? No we are all entitled to our thoughts and we live the way we feel we need to.

AngelSlayerPagan · 10-19-2010, 04:16 PM

(10-19-2010 03:44 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:
(10-19-2010 02:59 PM)AngelSlayerPagan Wrote: Humans did. Within the mind.

However, should he be real, hypothetically, I doubt he's exactly like portrayed in any of the major religious texts of modern times. Instead of being an entity, he would be more of a force. This would follow in physics and Newton's laws of physics. For example: Every action must have a reaction, and every action is begun with a pushing force.

Therefore, this force is God. That's how I would try and prove God's existence.

I actually think very much like this. God is a source of power or as you say a force. We can all tap into this force.

Not really what I was getting at. Not something you can really tap into, more of just something that exists without living. You see, if God were to exist, the most rational way he would, would be physics. But it does sound like another cop-out.