What makes it a Demon?

[spook-e]

Quote:Attach like how? on there body? and why? and for what purpose?

Like, just attach to that person and torment them for their entire life. Things such as relationships with other people can often be used as a catalyst for the phenomena they are known for. My guess is that they crave that one person's attention and their reactions.

~Spook.

[GypsyMoon]

(05-24-2010 01:27 PM)Goonis38 Wrote:  

(05-24-2010 12:12 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote:  I have studied demonology and the occult and paranormal for over 20yrs.
I have also been investigating since I was 18. Lady Kamae is a very well studied Demonologist alot of knowledge about this type of things.
I cannot speak for her but I just felt it important to tell Fallowmedown about her knowledge on Demonics as well.
I would like to clear some things up that I believe you might be confused about.
Possession is very rare for many reasons. The human spirit and human body will get very sick during a possession it weakens the host alot. Because of the fact the Demonic is acting at this point like a parasite trying to take over the Host the human body will fight fever,shakes,chills,skin irritations,inability to eat.
weakness,headaches,elevated white cells,dehydration,vomiting, Also the Demon is unable to hold itself as the dominating spirit through the intire possesion. It will fall back and the person will come forward and vice versa. The human spirit cannot possess no human spirit has ever been documented to possess, Gypsies used to use an old method of contacting a dead relative they made it elaborate for show pretending to be possessed with the spirits of a dead loved one of the client telling the client basics, He loves you,yadayadayada..To get more cash.
Early 1900's the paranormal was the new thing and people was paying good money to hear from there dead relatives so a bunch of people hit the band wagon with seance and contacting the dead. They were basic dog and pony shows people made a buttload of cash. I believe can make contact even through spirit writings etc, But not possessing the host just using the host.
Also I dont know what legends or folkmyths or religion, your going by I would love to know your referances but to my knowledge Demons do not die we can cast them out, remove them. But they cannot die. They never did live in a body like we do. Our body dies not our spirit.. Shadow men we have not determined if there evil or not. We dont know what they are some may guess but we have not actually interviewed one to know. If I had to guess? There a mythological creature part of the underworld and inbetween and we catch glimses of them here and there. There has been no writings or studys that say these can possess anything. I would really love to know if there is a referance book I missed in my studies that maybe you have that ties all these together?? If so please be so kind to share what it is. Thank you for your theorys there very creative and all well might be true . I am just curious to where you got your findings Thank you.

That was awesome GM, thank you, very insightful.

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I had a question, If you don't mind it's for LK, and GM. When you say they use a body what or how and why are they doing that?
also about the oppression is this the same as using the body? and what are the physical manifestations of this? I would appreciate it... Mel

There many theory's on why.
Basically I personally believe there trying to figure out how to kill a Soul Make people nonexistent . Killing the flesh is nothing being able to Wipe out a soul is very Important Also been debated by Christians to make God nonexistent. because if we are made in Gods image they might figure out how to kill God. Now when I say Kill I mean "Nomore" not death but nonexistent. Oppression just means spiritual depression in so many words and its caused by a combination of personal sin and demonic influences.

[Black Shuck]

Pick several books, not to mention the web, and one will probably find enough differences to be confused, as it is or can be a pretty confusing topic, or enough comments to present a totally clear answer to the question. I love to read, esp. on the supernatural, and reading on here just furthers the confusion. Just pick a side and find enough authors to quote and you can make your case.

[Haunted Lady]

Well, to infer that anyone here has just read a bunch of books and are quoting them in their comments is actually quite rude, and honestly what if they are? Whatchurpoint? I happen to know there are many members here who have experience in the field, real educations, and who have authored and published their own books and articles.

Goonis 38, GypsyMoon is right...demons oppress people by influencing their behavior and through influencing thoughts. Addiction in all forms in my experience in working with people to free them from oppression are the number one form of physical demonic control. Alcohol, food, sex...the list goes on and the results are that it affects you physically through those behaviors. Demons know that the human body is a spiritual temple...through influence of self gratification they will attempt to destroy that temple.

Demonic attachments are most times signified by outside factors, bad relationships, hard time holding a job, financial difficulties...the list goes on. The demon isn't actually attached but instead follows you around meddling in your everyday life. Creating chaos...keeps you from focusing on God (insert your accepted diety here).

The most popular way for a demon to influence you though is through your thoughts. Lack of worth, that you aren't good enough, that you are unnattractive. Thoughts like these come through as your own...but remember that is not truth. The truth is that you are unique, special, loved, beautiful and perfect in your creation in the image of the creator. If your head is telling you different...that is demonic influence of the mind. If you choose to believe the truth of who you are...you block demonic mind control and can walk free forever.

[GypsyMoon]

Thank you Lady Kamae
Also we learn from reading as Lady Kamae will tell you Demonologist has to read alot every day I read on Religion Theology Cultures mythology legends the Occult, Lore,Wifes tales you name it but in no way would I quote something and say its my Theory. LOL.
All we can do as Demonologist is read what we can and try to give you the facts from what we read but in no way did I cut and paste or copy someone.
When I do I link the website Or give the Authors name. Blessed be guys hope that clears up some stuffs and again as usual Lady Kamae is dead on .. Pardon the pun

[Goonis38]

(05-24-2010 03:02 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote:  

(05-24-2010 01:27 PM)Goonis38 Wrote:  

(05-24-2010 12:12 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote:  I have studied demonology and the occult and paranormal for over 20yrs.
I have also been investigating since I was 18. Lady Kamae is a very well studied Demonologist alot of knowledge about this type of things.
I cannot speak for her but I just felt it important to tell Fallowmedown about her knowledge on Demonics as well.
I would like to clear some things up that I believe you might be confused about.
Possession is very rare for many reasons. The human spirit and human body will get very sick during a possession it weakens the host alot. Because of the fact the Demonic is acting at this point like a parasite trying to take over the Host the human body will fight fever,shakes,chills,skin irritations,inability to eat.
weakness,headaches,elevated white cells,dehydration,vomiting, Also the Demon is unable to hold itself as the dominating spirit through the intire possesion. It will fall back and the person will come forward and vice versa. The human spirit cannot possess no human spirit has ever been documented to possess, Gypsies used to use an old method of contacting a dead relative they made it elaborate for show pretending to be possessed with the spirits of a dead loved one of the client telling the client basics, He loves you,yadayadayada..To get more cash.
Early 1900's the paranormal was the new thing and people was paying good money to hear from there dead relatives so a bunch of people hit the band wagon with seance and contacting the dead. They were basic dog and pony shows people made a buttload of cash. I believe can make contact even through spirit writings etc, But not possessing the host just using the host.
Also I dont know what legends or folkmyths or religion, your going by I would love to know your referances but to my knowledge Demons do not die we can cast them out, remove them. But they cannot die. They never did live in a body like we do. Our body dies not our spirit.. Shadow men we have not determined if there evil or not. We dont know what they are some may guess but we have not actually interviewed one to know. If I had to guess? There a mythological creature part of the underworld and inbetween and we catch glimses of them here and there. There has been no writings or studys that say these can possess anything. I would really love to know if there is a referance book I missed in my studies that maybe you have that ties all these together?? If so please be so kind to share what it is. Thank you for your theorys there very creative and all well might be true . I am just curious to where you got your findings Thank you.

That was awesome GM, thank you, very insightful.

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I had a question, If you don't mind it's for LK, and GM. When you say they use a body what or how and why are they doing that?
also about the oppression is this the same as using the body? and what are the physical manifestations of this? I would appreciate it... Mel

There many theory's on why.
Basically I personally believe there trying to figure out how to kill a Soul Make people nonexistent . Killing the flesh is nothing being able to Wipe out a soul is very Important Also been debated by Christians to make God nonexistent. because if we are made in Gods image they might figure out how to kill God. Now when I say Kill I mean "Nomore" not death but nonexistent. Oppression just means spiritual depression in so many words and its caused by a combination of personal sin and demonic influences.

Thank you GM...

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(05-24-2010 04:31 PM)Lady Kamae Wrote:  Well, to infer that anyone here has just read a bunch of books and are quoting them in their comments is actually quite rude, and honestly what if they are? Whatchurpoint? I happen to know there are many members here who have experience in the field, real educations, and who have authored and published their own books and articles.

Goonis 38, GypsyMoon is right...demons oppress people by influencing their behavior and through influencing thoughts. Addiction in all forms in my experience in working with people to free them from oppression are the number one form of physical demonic control. Alcohol, food, sex...the list goes on and the results are that it affects you physically through those behaviors. Demons know that the human body is a spiritual temple...through influence of self gratification they will attempt to destroy that temple.

Demonic attachments are most times signified by outside factors, bad relationships, hard time holding a job, financial difficulties...the list goes on. The demon isn't actually attached but instead follows you around meddling in your everyday life. Creating chaos...keeps you from focusing on God (insert your accepted diety here).

The most popular way for a demon to influence you though is through your thoughts. Lack of worth, that you aren't good enough, that you are unnattractive. Thoughts like these come through as your own...but remember that is not truth. The truth is that you are unique, special, loved, beautiful and perfect in your creation in the image of the creator. If your head is telling you different...that is demonic influence of the mind. If you choose to believe the truth of who you are...you block demonic mind control and can walk free forever.

Thank you LK that was very helpful and uplifting... I appreciate you taking the time to explain. It will help me grow to understand things better. And I do have great respect for your opinion. Thanks again... Mel

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(05-24-2010 04:52 PM)GypsyMoon Wrote:  Thank you Lady Kamae
Also we learn from reading as Lady Kamae will tell you Demonologist has to read alot every day I read on Religion Theology Cultures mythology legends the Occult, Lore,Wifes tales you name it but in no way would I quote something and say its my Theory. LOL.
All we can do as Demonologist is read what we can and try to give you the facts from what we read but in no way did I cut and paste or copy someone.
When I do I link the website Or give the Authors name. Blessed be guys hope that clears up some stuffs and again as usual Lady Kamae is dead on .. Pardon the pun

I know you didn't copy and past, I wouldn't think that at all. I can tell what you say comes from your heart, that is obvious in your writing... Thanks again Mel

[jeff]

(05-12-2010 03:45 PM)muze Wrote:  In the most simplistic of definitions I believe that the major difference is the Ghost's/Spirits are of earthly origin. This is to say that they are dead beings that were once alive on this earth.
Demons I believe have never held their own physical live to this realm. This is also why I believe that they are prone to attempts of possessions and influencing the realm we who are alive live in.
I also believe that due to these differences Ghost or spirits cannot directly impact or influence you but Demons however can.

I did quite a bit of study into this concept while in Seminary. That is not to say that I am an expert by any means but if you would like some more in depth answers or just have some questions about my own beliefs please don’t hesitate to ask.

muze,

There are multitudes of different kinds of creatures God created, before He created man. I could only guess what the distinctions are between demons and fallen angels. I'm a bit more concerned about their own degree of corruption. I think that there are some fallen angels who I suspect committed "war crimes" in Heaven and/or their acts of evil were so vile that they got a permanent residence in a dark pit, and chained in that pit until the time comes and they are judged.

Many others seem to be out and about, spreading lies, disease, deception and evil where ever they can. I'm just making an educated guess. I like learning about all things, both good and evil, but there must be balance in my studies, unless my view becomes distorted. It isn't all bad.

muze, I spent three years studying the Bible in private schools..., and I recognize myself as no authority, but I'm no idiot either. I would like to hear about more of your observations. I'm not interested in arguing, just sharing.

Incidentally, do you have any thought on the origin or pupose of these "shadow people?"

jeff

[jeff]

What makes it a demon?

I've just recently started to read the Book of Enoch. In the time well before the Great Flood, there were 200 angels in Heaven that chose to descend to the Earth for the express purpose of taking the daughters of men to have sex with, ultimately resulting in the birth of the Nephilim. God saw their actions and counted it as an act of defiling the angels(for having sex with women). Their off-spring were "Giants" known as Nephilim. I have no idea how long these fallen angels were mating with women, or how many Nephilim were born. Needless to say, they all died in the Great Flood. God allowed 10% of the spirits of the Nephilim to roam freely about the Earth, as demons. I'm not sure about the fallen angels, but I think God has them confined until the judgement.

My question is, how many angels were there that sided with Lucifer and were cast down to Earth along with Lucifer/Satan? And, are these particular fallen angels roaming loose on the Earth now?

jeff

[Goonis38]

I just find this so amazing, we could really speculate about all of this endlessly. I was wondering if 10% where allowed to stay and tempt people to fall from grace. What about all the experiences we hear of people with incubi and such, it's a possibility that the Nephiliim that where left to stay on earth could account for this. Or just the opposite, that article GM had up there said they where left to roam the earth trying to do good to earn there way back into the book of life. Again all we can do is guess. But so interesting I think. It is very hard to try to wrap your mind around the whole thing. But this is our point. Love it Thanks to all...

[GypsyMoon]

When Lucifer was cast out of Heaven, one third of all the angels were cast out with him. (Rev.12:4,9) I dont know how many one third would be though.