Post Reply 
 
Thread Rating:
  • 1 Votes - 5 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
05-24-2010, 04:15 PM
Post: #31
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
Having dealt with the "mentally ill" and more than I care to think about,and psychics, I don"t see any relationship, ecepts the psychics seem prone to be more OCD and Bi-Polar behavior. But, hey, I'm just a psychologist, so what do I know?
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
05-24-2010, 05:02 PM
Post: #32
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
OCD and Bipolar Spectrum Disorder are mental illnesses but...you don't see any relationship between mental illness and psychic abilities however, you note psychics are more prone to those behaviors?

That makes zero sense whatsoever. In that, I absolutely believe you to in fact be a psychologist. Well stated.

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

Feel free to tell me what you need and I will tell you how to get by without it. ~Mom

For the believer, both the evidence of science and the failure of science to explain the paranormal is all the proof they need. For the sceptic, no evidence no matter how scientific will ever be proof enough. ~John Zaffis
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
08-21-2010, 06:06 AM (This post was last modified: 08-21-2010 06:16 AM by UglyNRude.)
Post: #33
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
Yet another site claiming a link between psychic ability and neurological issues.

Preoccupation with fantasy and daydreaming; lack of practicality; eccentric thinking (e.g., belief in ghosts, reincarnation, UFOs); diffuse identity and changing goals: for example, joining religious cult; susceptibility to nightmares and states of altered consciousness;
While this doesn't mean that everyone who believes in ghosts has Schizotypal Personality Disorder, it is a symptom. If you combine that with the belief that you can tell the future, then you are a strong candidate for the disease.

Another article
http://www.skepticalanalysis.com/reports...lness.html
And yet another
http://paranormal.lovetoknow.com/Empathi..._Abilities

Skeptic does not mean those who doubt, but those who research, investigate and look for facts.
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 02:18 AM
Post: #34
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
"The Schizophrenic drowns in the waters the Mystic swims in with delight."

I have read that saying in a book in the last year and I just cant place it atm. Its a good analogy imo.

I think there is a definate link. Enough of one to be statistically significant. That does not mean its universal though. I will come back to this when I have more time this weekend.

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

-Aristotle (384 BC - 322 BC)
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 07:33 AM
Post: #35
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
Thats the thing, I am certain there is in fact some sort of link. It isn't necessarily either mental illness or psychic gifts. Many times they can and do go hand in hand. I got into a discussion just over the past few days in regard to this.

I have known several genuinely mentally ill individuals, diagnosed and medicated who are also psychic. The illness doesn't dismiss the fact that they know things which they couldn't have possibly known or seen things which were indeed to come to fruition. Many times when visions are present they can be very traumatizing driving the person ever further from reality. It can cause a type of post traumatic stress...like watching a train wreck even though you are thousands of miles away. The terror is real, the scene is impacting and deeply wounding. Finding help to recover from something that happens in your head is difficult if not impossible.

Same works in the opposite, there are some incredibly gifted psychics who struggle with mental illness. For a psychic it can actually be a very dangerous path to remain mentally stable. As I said in my original post in this thread, it has to be a very conscious effort to actively participate in reality. I check myself at every turn, I investigate whatever knowledge might be given. I might not be able to explain what I know or how I came about having such information...but I can research it thoroughly and find out if there are facts which support it. I have to choose to live in reality on a daily basis and I know how easy it it would be to just let things roll by without looking for evidence or facts which either may support or discredit my experiences.

The day I stop looking for the truth, feel free to institutionalize me. Show up at my door and bring the nifty white coat with you.

For now, the general day to day seeing spirits is something I am able to confirm with ease. I mentioned my mother shares this gift and likely she did pass it on to me. I brought mom home a few months ago to care for her in her aging years. The light anomalies (not dust in photos, but that which occur to the naked eye when a person is spiritually gifted), the shadow entities and the ghostly apparitions that appear from time to time in my home are apparent to the both of us. If we have lost our froot loops we share in the same psychosis down to the minute details.

Maybe you should bring a couple of white coats along with you...

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~Friedrich Nietzsche

Feel free to tell me what you need and I will tell you how to get by without it. ~Mom

For the believer, both the evidence of science and the failure of science to explain the paranormal is all the proof they need. For the sceptic, no evidence no matter how scientific will ever be proof enough. ~John Zaffis
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 08:36 AM
Post: #36
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
(09-24-2010 07:33 AM)Lady Kamae Wrote:  Thats the thing, I am certain there is in fact some sort of link. It isn't necessarily either mental illness or psychic gifts. Many times they can and do go hand in hand. I got into a discussion just over the past few days in regard to this.

I have known several genuinely mentally ill individuals, diagnosed and medicated who are also psychic. The illness doesn't dismiss the fact that they know things which they couldn't have possibly known or seen things which were indeed to come to fruition. Many times when visions are present they can be very traumatizing driving the person ever further from reality. It can cause a type of post traumatic stress...like watching a train wreck even though you are thousands of miles away. The terror is real, the scene is impacting and deeply wounding. Finding help to recover from something that happens in your head is difficult if not impossible.

Same works in the opposite, there are some incredibly gifted psychics who struggle with mental illness. For a psychic it can actually be a very dangerous path to remain mentally stable. As I said in my original post in this thread, it has to be a very conscious effort to actively participate in reality. I check myself at every turn, I investigate whatever knowledge might be given. I might not be able to explain what I know or how I came about having such information...but I can research it thoroughly and find out if there are facts which support it. I have to choose to live in reality on a daily basis and I know how easy it it would be to just let things roll by without looking for evidence or facts which either may support or discredit my experiences.

The day I stop looking for the truth, feel free to institutionalize me. Show up at my door and bring the nifty white coat with you.

For now, the general day to day seeing spirits is something I am able to confirm with ease. I mentioned my mother shares this gift and likely she did pass it on to me. I brought mom home a few months ago to care for her in her aging years. The light anomalies (not dust in photos, but that which occur to the naked eye when a person is spiritually gifted), the shadow entities and the ghostly apparitions that appear from time to time in my home are apparent to the both of us. If we have lost our froot loops we share in the same psychosis down to the minute details.

Maybe you should bring a couple of white coats along with you...

I wish i had your gift and conviction about the paranormal side. Except for my weird dreams i feel like i have 0% per cent awareness of the paranormal. And seem to kind of losing my believe in a few other things of a spiritual nature. And i am starting to take a more scientific outlook on things.

“All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.”
― Edgar Allan Poe
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 09:19 AM
Post: #37
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
There's absolutely nothing wrong with taking a scientific look at things, Roland. I am still a believer in the paranormal, and I have found that taking a more skeptical approach to looking at a situation has made me more aware of things that are mistakenly perceived as paranormal. The only way we're going to get closer to finding out more about the unknown is to weed out what is explainable. Science has been invaluable in this aspect.

I've not really participated in this thread because I am not psychic. However, I believe wholeheartedly that many of the people diagnosed with mental illnesses or chemical imbalances are also keenly aware of what is around us. The quote about the schizophrenics drowning in the waters the mystics are able to swim in is not only eloquent, it is hard hitting...because I believe it to be true.

The more that is added to this thread, the more I learn from it.

"I believe that the truth is out there but that it is rarely obvious and almost never foolproof. What I want to believe based on emotions and what I should believe based on evidence do not always coincide. I’m a skeptic not because I do not want to believe, but because I want to know."
- Michael Shermer

http://paranormalinreview2.zohosites.com/home.html
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 04:47 PM
Post: #38
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
I've a question for all. Has anyone ever considered that demonic oppresssion can cause mental illness?

Forgiveness is next to deity.
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
09-24-2010, 04:56 PM
Post: #39
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
(09-24-2010 04:47 PM)jeff Wrote:  I've a question for all. Has anyone ever considered that demonic oppresssion can cause mental illness?

If demons do indeed exist, (and I personally believe in some form they do) then yes....in SOME cases. However I don't believe they cause ALL mental illness. Certainly not in the case of the schizophrenic whose brain structure is completely different from someone who is not afflicted. Centuries ago, behavior exhibited by schizophrenics was considered "demonic" and treatments were horrendous. Doctors and scientists know more now about treating this disease effectively. Once the medication is stabilized for someone who is suffering, it is possible for them to live a normal life.

Medication doesn't get rid of a demon...so I don't think that all mental illnesses are caused by demonic oppression.

I don't want this to get too far off the track of psychics and mental illness...because I think it is something that is too often overlooked. And as Lady K said...just because someone is mentally ill, should it be discounted when something they say actually ends up happening? I don't think so.

It also makes me even more fascinated with how the brain works.

"I believe that the truth is out there but that it is rarely obvious and almost never foolproof. What I want to believe based on emotions and what I should believe based on evidence do not always coincide. I’m a skeptic not because I do not want to believe, but because I want to know."
- Michael Shermer

http://paranormalinreview2.zohosites.com/home.html
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
08-13-2013, 06:38 PM
Post: #40
RE: Psychic Abilities and Mental Illness
I love this topic and as a mental health provider I thank you for addressing it. We have some very archaic notions still in place as to what it "means" to see, hear, and feel things. Delusional? Or sensitive?

I am a counselor in "intense psychiatric rehabilitation," meaning people who are on the extreme end (criminally insane, cannot be in the community unsupervised, etc). Most of my patients have spent the majority of their lives institutionalized, unable to function in society. They are all older (55+) and in most cases, I believe they were made "non-functioning" by people telling them they were crazy their whole lives.

A great example of someone who's "delusional" sensing something but being called crazy for it is this ... I was covering a residential house overnight and at 2am, started feeling something was "off" about this house. I continually watched shadow figures pass by me, not out of the corners of my eyes, but directly in front of me. Cold blasts of wind, chills, you name it - I was scared. Everyone was sleeping at this point. After 1/2 hr of seeing/feeling all this, one of my female patients starts screaming from her bedroom, "Ghosts!! Ghosts!! There's ghosts in my room!!" I ran to her, and let me tell you, walking into that room was like walking into a freezer. She reported seeing "smokey looking people" by her bed. This is what I was seeing.

In the morning, day staff came in and she recounted her story - they told her it was "her illness" and began working on having her meds adjusted. I was horrified.

Another point - clearly this woman was seeing something. But people who believe that these people may just be sensitive often say the way to distinguish true schizophrenia from sensitivity is what they see. Shadowy figures vs. evil dustbunny in the corner, etc etc. However, I've heard many reputable sensitives say that on the astral plane, not everything looks human, and there are some pretty scary looking entities. So maybe they are perceiving things that the rest of us cannot - no matter how crazy what they're describing is.

Also, if depression and mental illness can attract lower vibrational or negative entities, than it stands to reason that a house (or institution) filled with chronically depressed and suicidal patients would attract these entities (for example, shadow people are said to be drawn to places where there is alot of negative emotion or places where tragedy has occurred). I believe it's possible that these patients may attract these entities and see them constantly.

It's time to re-evaluate our notions of "mentally ill" and I'm happy to see more and more providers (including doctors and psychiatrists) starting to think about this. Especially with our aged population - think about it - you take a "medium@ of today, set them back to the 1960's where they would be institutionalized and pretty much tortured with "treatments" like ECT, add everyone and their mother calling them crazy and discounting everything they say ... I'd go "nuts" too.

So there is a mental heAlth providers view - no technical terms or psychiatric jargon. Just a common sense, open minded view. Again thank you for posting this - it's a really important topic I hope to see more of. And believe me when I say, peoe who are talking about this from an open minded viewpoint are doing the "mentally ill" are great service.
Find all posts by this user
Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 


Forum Jump:


User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)