Giving advice on demons

[Thundermane]

(01-25-2010 06:12 PM)Haunted Lady Wrote:  

(01-25-2010 05:28 PM)WitchMom78 Wrote:  

(01-24-2010 07:33 PM)UglyNRude Wrote:  Here is a problem I see lately, while we can tell people to seek medical help which should lead to a battery of tests. People would rather say they have a demon then to be labeled with a neurological issue.

I agree with UNR

I don't agree with UNR.

In my experience in ministry people would much rather be crazy than entertain for even a moment the thought that they are dealing with a demon.

Having medical and/or psychological tests for easily managable disorders is a much easier pill to swallow. (No pun intended)

There is this thing with it. Some people will do just about anything to deny the fact they got a mental issue. (To put it in a rough way )
In fact, pretty much anyone with a mental issue will deny it at start.
It is more plausible that all "demons" are just generated by your brains.
You have no idea what things your brains can show.
It is widely known Schizophrenia can show you images of demons.
Don't underestimate how real something will seem when you got schizophrenia. I would say bruices and scratches by demons and ghosts are more likely to be some mental stigmata effect, rather than it being real ghosts or demons. Pretty much anything can be defined by something psychological. Or just logical, for that matter. Myself, I got a friend who claims to see demons and angry spirits. I respect him, and that it may actually be true. However I also had a grandmother and a friend with Schizophrenia, and they felt they experience(d) very real demon encounters. My grandmother died. But the last half year alive she was sane, because she finally had medication.
But I know it is definitely more plausible now, that demons = Made by your own mind.

[Graveyard Hound]

I made some calls to some "men and women" of the "cloth", one I knw well, ask me if i had been mmessing with my "witch board" again? After she finished laughing, she ask why I was ccurious,saying I knew about about demons as anyone she knew, though she knows I am not really curious about them and just know to leave them alone. If I needed advice on them, ask a minister/priest/ or any other religious figure that would take me serious. I was informed there were so many books dealing with demons that any decent bookstore or library, should have more than enough books, if I was in the mood to spend time reading. I had lots of questions, more academic than factual, to which she said, "just go and look it up" and believe about only half of what I read.

[libertybobon]

There is this thing with it. Some people will do just about anything to deny the fact they got a mental issue. (To put it in a rough way )
In fact, pretty much anyone with a mental issue will deny it at start.
It is more plausible that all "demons" are just generated by your brains.
You have no idea what things your brains can show.
It is widely known Schizophrenia can show you images of demons.
Don't underestimate how real something will seem when you got schizophrenia. I would say bruices and scratches by demons and ghosts are more likely to be some mental stigmata effect, rather than it being real ghosts or demons. Pretty much anything can be defined by something psychological. Or just logical, for that matter. Myself, I got a friend who claims to see demons and angry spirits. I respect him, and that it may actually be true. However I also had a grandmother and a friend with Schizophrenia, and they felt they experience(d) very real demon encounters. My grandmother died. But the last half year alive she was sane, because she finally had medication.
But I know it is definitely more plausible now, that demons = Made by your own mind.
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I agree 100%: that the most reasonable first cause-response to something seemingly "demonic" (including those things that are "real" to that person) is some brain oddity, illness, etc.

And so, as has been stated before, such a person needs comfort, simple advice etc, and if the situation becomes worse, then medical help should be sought. We cannot know for sure if something is physical or spiritual. Best let the physical be dealt with first. There are rare situations, however, where the physical and mental-health solutions simply break down, and any guess by the doctor/scientist during this time becomes no more realistic, logical, or helpful than some priest or psychic estimation. When a situation reaches that stage, though it is still likely that everything is being caused by some brain oddity, the ancient mythology, or even biblical demonology starts to make a lot of sense. Some, including myself, have at this point been entirely cured, restored, some would say almost in a miraculous way, through this method dealing with things that "don't exist." It is also possible, honestly, that still all of this, including the restoration, is simply caused by the extraordinary unknown powers of the brain. It is truly possible.

But when voices, lights, moving objects, sounds, are seen by those other than the "mentally-ill," removing the subjective into the objective, when that mentally-ill person does things that should not be humanly possible (and I am not thinking of super strength like a mother has for a wounded child,) and it is witnessed by others, the "everything is material and there is no spiritual" paradigm starts to come into question. Even then, it is still possible that all this is some brain-event, some happening of the evolutionary unknown, some mentally-inspired kinetic power, etc., but it then becomes no more than pseudoscience, and offers nothing a priest or pastor or psychic does not already offer.

Scientific merges with and touches the spiritual. But there does come a point, as I had to experience myself, after being examined, tested, and investigated by a few of the best doctors/psychs/neurologists in the U.S. (though they too, could all be misinformed, wrong, etc. as has happened throughout history,) where dealing with what is going on via an older, more spiritual method, makes a lot of sense. It also can work, beyond belief.

[kordo]

Most of the demons we perceive are those in our own head.
Reference: Jesus and the man with the LEGION inside him. The Legion is the legion of "I". There is not one but many egos, each calling itself "I". No man can say "I am" but instead "we are".

Usually these egos are silent when not active. But in extreme cases they can be activated simultaneously and then there will pain and caos in your head because one ego wants one thing and another one wants something else. These egos will become your demons.

When one dies, the borders of conciousness will change and the person will be able to perceive all egos at once. This will be the worst nightmare.

To get rid of your demons you have to start from the egos of psychological side. They need to be destroyed without mercy.

[Harry1941]

"Demons" means evil cravings that come from materialistic loves. This is because in hell, anyone who has these cravings is called a demon. People in this world who have these cravings also become demons after death. Further, there is a connection between demons and these kinds of people; for we are all connected with spirits as to our emotions--so much so that they make one. From this we can see that worshiping demons means indulging in these cravings because we love them.

Harry

[Thundermane]

(01-29-2010 12:32 PM)libertybobon Wrote:  There is this thing with it. Some people will do just about anything to deny the fact they got a mental issue. (To put it in a rough way )
In fact, pretty much anyone with a mental issue will deny it at start.
It is more plausible that all "demons" are just generated by your brains.
You have no idea what things your brains can show.
It is widely known Schizophrenia can show you images of demons.
Don't underestimate how real something will seem when you got schizophrenia. I would say bruices and scratches by demons and ghosts are more likely to be some mental stigmata effect, rather than it being real ghosts or demons. Pretty much anything can be defined by something psychological. Or just logical, for that matter. Myself, I got a friend who claims to see demons and angry spirits. I respect him, and that it may actually be true. However I also had a grandmother and a friend with Schizophrenia, and they felt they experience(d) very real demon encounters. My grandmother died. But the last half year alive she was sane, because she finally had medication.
But I know it is definitely more plausible now, that demons = Made by your own mind.

I agree 100%: that the most reasonable first cause-response to something seemingly "demonic" (including those things that are "real" to that person) is some brain oddity, illness, etc.

And so, as has been stated before, such a person needs comfort, simple advice etc, and if the situation becomes worse, then medical help should be sought. We cannot know for sure if something is physical or spiritual. Best let the physical be dealt with first. There are rare situations, however, where the physical and mental-health solutions simply break down, and any guess by the doctor/scientist during this time becomes no more realistic, logical, or helpful than some priest or psychic estimation. When a situation reaches that stage, though it is still likely that everything is being caused by some brain oddity, the ancient mythology, or even biblical demonology starts to make a lot of sense. Some, including myself, have at this point been entirely cured, restored, some would say almost in a miraculous way, through this method dealing with things that "don't exist." It is also possible, honestly, that still all of this, including the restoration, is simply caused by the extraordinary unknown powers of the brain. It is truly possible.

But when voices, lights, moving objects, sounds, are seen by those other than the "mentally-ill," removing the subjective into the objective, when that mentally-ill person does things that should not be humanly possible (and I am not thinking of super strength like a mother has for a wounded child,) and it is witnessed by others, the "everything is material and there is no spiritual" paradigm starts to come into question. Even then, it is still possible that all this is some brain-event, some happening of the evolutionary unknown, some mentally-inspired kinetic power, etc., but it then becomes no more than pseudoscience, and offers nothing a priest or pastor or psychic does not already offer.

Scientific merges with and touches the spiritual. But there does come a point, as I had to experience myself, after being examined, tested, and investigated by a few of the best doctors/psychs/neurologists in the U.S. (though they too, could all be misinformed, wrong, etc. as has happened throughout history,) where dealing with what is going on via an older, more spiritual method, makes a lot of sense. It also can work, beyond belief.
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I don't believe everything is material, however I do believe that the average idea of what those paranormal experiences are, that they are wrong or twisted.
Spirituality has a huge range of mysterious, undefined phenomena. That same reason makes me think you should consider every possibility instead of making conclusions already. Would a demon really be the demon as the way we think of it? I don't think any of this is easily comprehensable. And what we can't comprehend, we can't make conclusions about. The only conclusion you can make of that what you don't know is that you don't know.
The thing is that people really want things to be true, the power of suggestion kicks in. We want to understand... We want the power to understand. Because if you understand, it means you can do something with it or about it.
A demonic appearance is very threatening, so we want to fight against it.
Also the "we want things to be true" part brings me to another theory which could smash demonic experiences.
Perhaps, our mind really is that powerfull, to make true manifestations of a happening. That those demonic sightings come together with YOU manifesting it's appearence, with all the breaking of stuff as well. So it might COME out of your mind, instead of it being a individual entity with free will. This is just a theory of course. But as I like having a lot of perspectives, this may be just as true as demons or God, or it all being just your mind making it up.