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Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.
#1
Gnostic Christianity’s hidden in plain sight secret. We must do evil.
 
Given evolution and evil, is the Gnostic Christian myth more intelligent than the Christian myth?
The Gnostic Christian myth explains evil quite nicely as compared to what Christianity has produced.
 
Doing evil must have conscious volition.  In law, they call that idea, mens rea. It is the cornerstone of secular and religious law and shows guilt and the knowledge that one is doing evil to another. When present, that is the only time sin can be applied to mankind.
 
Gnostic Christians posit an evil God, Yahweh, because of his creation of the evolutionary system in place. This system forces us to do evil to others when we win competitions. We must compete to survive and thrive. We must do evil and that is why we see Yahweh as evil. In a more modern sense, not so much evil as a necessary evil. In the Gnostic Christian view, this allows hope that there is another God above Yahweh that might have a better system that excludes that evil. Yahweh then is just our idea of a system we do not like for it’s evils, and we actually hope to be wrong in our evaluation of reality.
 
Do you recognize that you must do evil to survive and that the Gnostic Christian myth is a better way to explain evil than the Christian myth does?
 
Regards
DL
#2
Yes this is due to the fundemental code in our universe consisting of Duality, Duality is a Truth Light/Darkness, Positive/Negative. good/evil, we must engage in evil because this material plane is evil, an imperfect simulation run by an evil entity = The Demiurge, we must engage in good because we have that divine spark, that non physical mind that accepts good as the greater moral and the instinct that we are Divine. Together a Dual mechanic and simplicity which shapes our perceptions.
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#3
I'll start off by properly finding the word for which you were trying to find. If "doing evil must have conscious volition", then, in law, they actually call that intent. It's the mens rea. Other than that, it is one of the two cornerstones of law. I agree that you must have the knowledge that you are doing evil unto another. However, that is not the only time sin can be applied to anybody.
There is also the instance where you choose to remain willfully ignorant of a situation, because knowing more about the scenario could find you culpable of a crime, should it go against what you want to do in the first place. That is also a sin, in its own right.

Gnostic Christians posit an evil "genocidal son murdering God like Yahweh, because they are full of evil themselves. They use bad pseudo-logic to fuel their tirades, with hope that people of faith will buckle and succumb to their opinions. When these people of faith manage to resist the Gnostic assault, they get heated and begin to lash out wherever their minds feel it can take them.

The necessity to do evil, in order to survive, is only the realization of the Gnostic "Christians", because their logic is too limited to think outside the box, so as to find ways to thrive without infringing on other people's rights.

Redaction: Re-reading your explanation, we agree on the mens rea bit. I was a bit hasty in my comment. Plus, black on a dark grey theme is difficult to track properly. I actually had to highlight everything the second time through.
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#4
@Ascension;

In reality, the only guaranteed to be true duality is that of the material universe and the realm of intent. Light/darkness is a privation. Positive/negative is done in respect to charges and are attributed to the material properties governing the particles of our empirical universe. Good/evil doesn't exist. The entire concept of good and evil is built upon subjectivity. Remove sentient beings capable of making such determinations, and you are left with objectivity and logic. Those are run by a unique interplay of quantitative and qualitative properties.
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(02-13-2018, 04:28 PM)Ascension Wrote: Yes this is due to the fundemental code in our universe consisting of Duality, Duality is a Truth  Light/Darkness, Positive/Negative. good/evil, we must engage in evil because this material plane is evil, an imperfect simulation run by an evil entity = The Demiurge, we must engage in good because we have that divine spark, that non physical mind that accepts good as the greater moral and the instinct that we are Divine. Together a Dual mechanic and simplicity which shapes our perceptions.

You seem to know the Gnostic myth well enough.

Do you think the ancient Gnostic Christians actually believed in a real supernatural demiurge or anything supernatural?

Reading below might help you answer that.

"because this material plane is evil,"

Does the following Gnostic words say that the material world is good or evil?

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty.

Regards
DL
#6
(02-13-2018, 04:48 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: The necessity to do evil, in order to survive, is only the realization of the Gnostic "Christians", because their logic is too limited to think outside the box, so as to find ways to thrive without infringing on other people's rights.

So you think man can continue his evolution without competition. Ok.

Show how that would work from your own boxed thinking.

How would the fittest survive and thrive if there was no competition?

How would you know which is the fittest teachers for instance without a grading system in our schools?

Regards
DL
#7
(02-13-2018, 05:29 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 04:28 PM)Ascension Wrote: Yes this is due to the fundemental code in our universe consisting of Duality, Duality is a Truth  Light/Darkness, Positive/Negative. good/evil, we must engage in evil because this material plane is evil, an imperfect simulation run by an evil entity = The Demiurge, we must engage in good because we have that divine spark, that non physical mind that accepts good as the greater moral and the instinct that we are Divine. Together a Dual mechanic and simplicity which shapes our perceptions.

You seem to know the Gnostic myth well enough.

Do you think the ancient Gnostic Christians actually believed in a real supernatural demiurge or anything supernatural?

Reading below might help you answer that.

"because this material plane is evil,"

Does the following Gnostic words say that the material world is good or evil?

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty.

Regards
DL



Just to clear things up i am not a Gnostic Christian i have my own independent Theology consisting of Mysticism,Esotericism and the metaphysical mixed with unconventional and paranormal/Divine science, all this equipped with a Metaphorical Gnostic format.
I believe that we all have a divine spark or purpose which is a instinctively divine and unique about us humans and how intelligent and aware we have risen to be, we are trapped in a evil imperfect plane of existence and simulation which must be the result of an evil entity, being or event and we must ascend from our corrupted human nature and the darkness we are in into the light so we can be aware of all and reuinite ourself with this divine spark and purpose in another plane or existence through after death or some form of paranormal and hidden science that is in plain sight and we are not aware of it. once we are aware of this unexplainable mystery of our existence and creation and how to manipulate it then we Ascend to the Aether The Revelation something we can not explain with our realities within the material world unless one is to return from the Ascension the non physical metaphysical existence that is referred to as the Void by the majority of all ancient theologies and sects. We must obtain Gnosis and be aware of the revelation and knowledge hidden in plain sight.
#8
That operates under the assumption that competition is evil. As I said above, good and evil don't exist. It's all relative to our individual systems of value that we create for ourselves. What I consider evil could be different from what you consider evil. When you subtract that subjectivity, it is no longer a matter of who is doing evil, but who is infringing upon morality.

Morality is determined logically, through objective processes. Morality is a necessary part of conscious and cognitive thought and action. There are moral obligations that we are mandated to uphold toward others. Violation of those obligations is not necessarily punishable, but it is morally reprehensible. Competition is not one of those issues that trespass upon morality.

Furthermore, survival of the fittest doesn't trespass on morality. It is actually a byproduct of the struggle between one person violently/fatally oppressing another person's moral rights, and that person reacting to it. From that point, whoever is the fittest will survive the altercation. It is still not evil, unless the individual being attacked considers it to be so, but their own subjective opinion (Which would mean nothing to the attacker anyways).
#9
(02-13-2018, 06:41 PM)Ascension Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 05:29 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-13-2018, 04:28 PM)Ascension Wrote: Yes this is due to the fundemental code in our universe consisting of Duality, Duality is a Truth  Light/Darkness, Positive/Negative. good/evil, we must engage in evil because this material plane is evil, an imperfect simulation run by an evil entity = The Demiurge, we must engage in good because we have that divine spark, that non physical mind that accepts good as the greater moral and the instinct that we are Divine. Together a Dual mechanic and simplicity which shapes our perceptions.

You seem to know the Gnostic myth well enough.

Do you think the ancient Gnostic Christians actually believed in a real supernatural demiurge or anything supernatural?

Reading below might help you answer that.

"because this material plane is evil,"

Does the following Gnostic words say that the material world is good or evil?

Gnostic Christian Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

As you can see from that quote, if we see God's kingdom all around us and inside of us, we cannot think that the world is anything but evolving perfection. Most just don't see it and live in poverty.

Regards
DL



Just to clear things up i am not a Gnostic Christian i have my own independent Theology consisting of Mysticism,Esotericism and the metaphysical mixed with unconventional and paranormal/Divine science, all this equipped with a Metaphorical Gnostic format.
I believe that we all have a divine spark or purpose which is a instinctively divine and unique about us humans and how intelligent and aware we have risen to be, we are trapped in a evil imperfect plane of existence and simulation which must be the result of an evil entity, being or event and we must ascend from our corrupted human nature and the darkness we are in into the light so we can be aware of all and reuinite ourself with this divine spark and purpose in another plane or existence through after death or some form of paranormal and hidden science that is in plain sight and we are not aware of it. once we are aware of this unexplainable mystery of our existence and creation and how to manipulate it then we Ascend to the Aether The Revelation something we can not explain with our realities within the material world unless one is to return from the Ascension the non physical metaphysical existence that is referred to as the Void by the majority of all ancient theologies and sects. We must obtain Gnosis and be aware of the revelation and knowledge hidden in plain sight.

That is way to much supernatural woo for a Gnostic Christian. We tend to be naturalists.

We are more like Buddhists and Karaite Jews who put humans above the God we create.

That should be everyone's default position as it is the logical and reasonable one.

Regard
DL
#10
(02-13-2018, 06:50 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: That operates under the assumption that competition is evil. As I said above, good and evil don't exist. It's all relative to our individual systems of value that we create for ourselves. What I consider evil could be different from what you consider evil. When you subtract that subjectivity, it is no longer a matter of who is doing evil, but who is infringing upon morality.

Morality is determined logically, through objective processes. Morality is a necessary part of conscious and cognitive thought and action. There are moral obligations that we are mandated to uphold toward others. Violation of those obligations is not necessarily punishable, but it is morally reprehensible. Competition is not one of those issues that trespass upon morality.

Furthermore, survival of the fittest doesn't trespass on morality. It is actually a byproduct of the struggle between one person violently/fatally oppressing another person's moral rights, and that person reacting to it. From that point, whoever is the fittest will survive the altercation. It is still not evil, unless the individual being attacked considers it to be so, but their own subjective opinion (Which would mean nothing to the attacker anyways).

IOW, good and evil do not exist, except in the moral that we might come up with.

Strange that good and evil are in the dictionary. How much of the dictionary have you scrapped?

I agree that the terms and issues we are using are subjective. We still put those issues or terms on our graph when we evaluate their position. 

If we cannot agree on dictionary terms then we cannot get anywhere. I have no interest in redefining well defined terms.

Regards
DL


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