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God’s real modern name is Gap. So says religions and science.
#31
There was a story that was once said to me years ago. I'm sure it's gone around for decades but it goes something like this;


Quote:There was a religious fellow who lived in a flood prone area. We'll call him Jim. A hurricane was baring down on his area.  He was told to leave the area and he just told them that; "God will protect me.". He remained and other people evacuated the area. The storm surge came in and flooded the area in epic proportions. Jim had to climb into his attic and had to punch a hole through his roof to access it because of the flood waters reaching that high. He prayed for help. Some rough hours later, a man in a boat came by and asked if Jim needed help. Jim said; "No sir, God will help me get off this roof.". Perplexed, the man with the boat went on. Again, Jim prayed once more for help. Nearly 20 minutes later, a helicopter flew overhead and attempted to help him. Jim denied any help from them and again said that God will save him. Very confused, the rescuers did not want to waste their time with a person that doesn't wish to be lifted up and went to help others.

Unfortunately, the waters rose up and the current became faster. Jim was taken by the storm surge and subsequently died. He appears before God. He asks God; "God, I've been nothing but a humble servant and prayed for everything. Why didn't you save me?"

God was confused but then replied; "Son, I tried to help you with a boat and helicopter. Did you really expect me to come down and pluck you from your house? I don't work that way."

This type of blind common sense to expect the spectacular is common among very religious people. In my 3 decades of being on Earth, I've seen it countless times where people will turn to a blind faith to help them get out of a dire situation. There are, at times, where religious people will revert to hate and violence for what they believe in. We still and will always have to deal with it today.
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#32
(03-01-2018, 11:52 AM)Vultyrex Wrote:
(03-01-2018, 11:50 AM)Darkforeboding Wrote: "Most religious people are blind to astute common sense since they rely fully on a supreme being to run their lives for them."

I disagree with that statement.


Why?

Also "This type of blind common sense to expect the spectacular is common among very religious people. In my 3 decades of being on Earth, I've seen it countless times where people will turn to a blind faith to help them get out of a dire situation. There are, at times, where religious people will revert to hate and violence for what they believe in. We still and will always have to deal with it today."

The words "most" and "common" are simply wrong as you have no way of quantifying it.  If you'd said "in my opinion" or maybe "most that I'm acquainted with" I'd have no way to argue.  In my opinion and in my acquaintance a good many people of many religions not only exhibit common sense, but can also be both wise and intelligent.  Being religious doesn't necessarily mean someone is fatalistic or a clueless rube.
-DFB

Subject: I have a black cat.
Believer: Black cats are bad luck.
Non-believer: It's just a cat.
Crackpot: Black cats are part of the New World Order government conspiracy.
Skeptic: I can test if black cats are more or less lucky than another cat.
Cynic: You only have a black cat to gain power and prestige.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9iIf4tFoyE

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#33
Sometimes, I do have a rather aggressive way of typing. I will learn from this. Thank you.
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#34
Is this what civil and intelligent conversation takes the form of? It's been a while. I've missed it.
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#35
Humble is my word of this year. Smile
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#36
(03-01-2018, 12:00 PM)KaelisRa Wrote: I think it's because religion and common sense (or logic for that matter) aren't mutually exclusive. It'd be more accurate to say that "most dogmatic people are blind to astute common sense..." because dogmatic people tend not to see things beyond the dogma they believe. Religious people aren't necessarily dogmatic in nature.

Not necessarily for sure, given the plethora of sects that the same religions produce, but to say all Christians, for instance, do not sign up to the apostles creed and that dogma would not be accurate.

If they fly the cross, they have accepted the dogma.

The same applies to Muslims as they all fry the star and crescent.

Regards
DL
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#37
Gnostic, I agree with everything you said in your last post here. Of course, I agree because the expression of your point falls in line with my understanding of dogma vs the concept of being dogmatic. They aren't one in the same thing, but built off the the same foundation in Greek. So, yes. Good job! Smile
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