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Gnosis Of The Modern Age
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(02-12-2018, 03:29 PM)Chevleia Wrote: I think it's quite ironic gnostics indulge in isms even though they seem to disagree with them. Since you despise Christianity, Islam, etc. Why not just reject religion and leave it at that?

As perpetual seekers, we would have it no other way as it always allows for us to improve. We close no doors, especially on issues that cannot yet be proven.

I despise Christianity and Islam for their poor morals and the damage they continue to do to society.

No one should respect any homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

Do you?

Regards
DL
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(02-12-2018, 02:50 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote: 1) You obviously do not care for all the women who have suffered under religious misogyny.

2) You would subject your daughters to the same garbage your mother had to endure.

3) I am not sure what you wish me to argue against but I am quite willing.

4) Strange that you think I need to argue against the notion that genocidal God is good.

5) Or where you looking to argue for misogyny and homophobia.

6) Be specific and I am here for you.

7) Let's have your argument for whatever premise you think I am wrong about.

8) I do agree that we are quite fundamental in our beliefs, but we are also fundamentally for changing those beliefs if a better one comes along.

9) That is why we are Universalists and do not deny women and gays equality.

10) Would you like us to lose that fundamental belief and start acting like immoral Christians and Muslims?  

Regards
DL
I have numbered each of your points, and I'll address them all.

1!!) I claim that to be completely false. You have no proof of that, nor could you get any proof of that without coming to watch my day-to-day operations. On the inverse, I have dozens of character witnesses, many of which are women, who would attest to the exact opposite of your claim.

2) You aren't aware of the "garbage" my mother had to endure. Even if you used that generally, you have no proof as to the choices I would make regarding my daughters, that is privy to my mind alone. The best you could do is come watch my day-to-day operations, to see if you can surmise a pattern of behaviour that would prove that. On the inverse, I have dozens of character witnesses, many of which are women, who would attest to the exact opposite of your claim.

3) There is no argument against. That implies that there are two sides to this discussion. Insofar as logic, there isn't two sides, just the one side. Patterns have been witnessed, about yourself and Ascension, that help support claims made. Further research into the ideology of Gnosticism has provided a large-scope of similar patterned behaviour. There is no saving face for Gnosticism. Quite literally, it is the use of ignorant pseudo-logic, for the purposes of furthering personal biases against other religions (specifically Christianity).

4) You aren't arguing against the notion that a genocidal God is good. You are arguing against the notion that virulently attacking another's personally chosen/held beliefs is immoral. And you are wrong, because it IS immoral. That is, immoral by objective logic, and not what trash logic you seem to be using.

5) No, I was not. It'd be ignorant to argue for misogyny and homophobia. My own brother is gay. It would be ignorant of you to claim that I was homophobic and misogynistic, with no first-hand knowledge of who I am. Be careful, your colours are showing.

6) I feel super special. Smile

7) You've been wrong about it all. However, your dogma has blinded any sense of right and wrong.

8) Beliefs aren't necessitated to change, in the advent of new and unsupported beliefs that some believe are better than others. Beliefs (if equated to values) should only change when proper logic is applied and the change is required because of a priori support, not opinion. Furthermore, you have no right to coerce or bully anybody into changing their beliefs, just because you think they are wrong.
I'm not asking you to change your beliefs. Our first discussion was in good faith, and I tried to reason with ignorance. This time around, I'm going for the gut-shot. If you can belligerently insult Christianity, then I (as a logician) can fight Gnosticism with fire as well. I have a feeling my gun is bigger.

9) There are many belief systems that do not deny women and gays equality. In the modern age, many Christian sects also hold women and gays as equal. Not just in society, but in their churches as well. All you do is look into Scripture and try to show that Christianity (in the book) doesn't allow for that. Yet, if you opened your eyes and looked into the modern world, it doesn't seem to be the way of which you've convinced yourself. Wake. Up.

10) Your fundamental belief is your fundamental belief. That's a personal thing. Believe what you want to, but don't infringe on the rights of others to have their own beliefs. If you meant fundamental principle (and not belief there), then there is a right/wrong quality to a principle. In that case, your fundamental principle is wrong AND immoral, as the basis for an immoral system.

A moral system is obligated to treat all equally and objectively. The fundamental principle of a system is there as an anti-reductionist effort to ground a moral system. It's an inalienable right that any moral agent has. The reason why Gnosticism is wrong, and their fundamental principle/beliefs flawed, is because it does not treat all equally. Morality applies to all agents, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religious belief/creed, or race, etc. The fact that Gnosticism, so virulently, attacks the Christian religion (and those who practice it), shows the world that it is an immoral belief system, built around exclusivity of a specific people, rather than the morally obligated inclusiveness of all.
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#13
Thanks for the useless post.

You need work on your reading skills.

"The reason why Gnosticism is wrong, and their fundamental principle/beliefs flawed, is because it does not treat all equally. Morality applies to all agents, regardless of sex, sexual orientation, religious belief/creed, or race, etc. The fact that Gnosticism, so virulently, attacks the Christian religion (and those who practice it), shows the world that it is an immoral belief system, built around exclusivity of a specific people, rather than the morally obligated inclusiveness of all."

We do not have a concept of hell. We only have one place after death for all. Heaven.

That is why we are Universalists and Christianity is not.

We, in fact, have tied equality to righteousness.

http://gnosis.org/library/ephip.htm

I am here to correct any other of your weird thinking on Gnostic Christianity.
Best to ask instead of trying to tell me your weird thinking on Gnostic Christianity.

But if you are to compare, then compare the genocidal son murderer Yahweh to our view of what a good God is.

Regards
DL
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#14
LMAO!! I think we're done here. You didn't reply to a single thing I said in reply. You quote me, and then reply with something that has no relation (at all) to the point being made. That is because you have nothing to say to the point being made.

Your logic has been ousted, and you haven't a modicum of understanding for how to use logic or apply it and respond.

Now you claim to tie equality to righteousness. However, your link doesn't explain the concept of righteousness. It merely ties righteousness to God, and then claims that God is the ultimate spreader of equality, as He "pours out from above upon the earth in equal measure to all who have power to see."

This very line ends up undermining the entirety of your last post, as you claim him to be a proponent of inequality and harbouring favourites.

You don't even know where to grab a foothold for Gnosticism. All you can do is dismiss everything offhandedly, crawl in the fetal position and hope I'll walk away, while you mutter your infernal curses to me and the people you hold great prejudice against.

Let Gnosticism go die in the hole of ignorance that birthed it. If God and the Devil are real, this was truly an ideology born of hell.

((To everyone else, I can really bring the onslaught, can't I?! Sometimes you have to come out swinging with the KO punch. xD ))
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#15
Work on your reading comprehension.

Regards
DL
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#16
*Thumbs up, buddy!*
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#17
Hey, Enemy No.1,

When logically ousted and argumentatively spanked, I find this has seemed to pacify many of the people that are defeated by reason:

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(02-12-2018, 03:36 PM)Enemy No. 1 Gnostic Wrote:
(02-12-2018, 03:29 PM)Chevleia Wrote: I think it's quite ironic gnostics indulge in isms even though they seem to disagree with them. Since you despise Christianity, Islam, etc. Why not just reject religion and leave it at that?

As perpetual seekers, we would have it no other way as it always allows for us to improve. We close no doors, especially on issues that cannot yet be proven.

I despise Christianity and Islam for their poor morals and the damage they continue to do to society.

No one should respect any homophobic and misogynous religions like Christianity and Islam.

Do you?

Regards
DL

I am far from being religious and will probably go to Hell by Christianity's standards. With that being said, I still believe Gnosticism is silly and you certainly do not help its case by being condescending. I also find it quite comical you keep bringing up the fact Gnosticism is not homophobic or misogynistic as if that's new and never heard of. Not believing in any religion is also free of homophobia and misogyny. Saves about 20,000 headaches a year and you aren't bound by some spin-off religion.
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Okay, Mika... back away slowly, make no sudden or threatening movements and... above all... do not make eye contact with the self-righteous bigot... 
 
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@Mika
@KaelisRa
@Chevleia

Firstly Kaelis i think it is unwise to brand Gnostic themed ideology as New Age considering New Age is a Hippy set of concepts focusing on emotion, Vibrational Frequencies and a dash of Spiritualism.

Mika My Ideology Focuses on Instinctive Logic, awareness and the fundamental codes and truth of our world, My Theology is NOT Gnostic Christianity, i believe that the Abrahamic Religions are results of Evil and Corruption, they have and are killing and brainwashing as well as twisting our society just as much as Darwinism and Nihilism, My Theology is an independent theology constructed from Esoteric and Spiritualist Mysticism combined with unconventional Science under a Gnostic Format, We exist in a imperfect and Evil simulation that is being broadcasted from the UNKNOWN, It could be our Mind, A non physical consciouness/God or something unexplainable to us in which we need to ASCEND to understand, to ASCEND from the darkness of this corrupt immoral plane up into the Light of Ultimate Revelation, Awareness and Gnosis (hidden knowledge), Or in more simpler terms we must take the Red Pill as did Neo instead of taking the blue pill, The Red Pill is the Harsh Reality and Truth of our existence which is that we live on Earth Divided and Deceived by Culture, Materialism and Hedonism, there is no global cooperation between Humans to Advance and sustain logical morals aswell as be aware of a Truth hidden in plain sight, we are divided by fictional identities and Hedonism. The blue pill is that we will remain unaware and deceived of reality and will live in our immoral corrupt liittle fictional worlds and insanity fueled by Society, Common culture and Evil, we will only exist to function as zombies contributing our whole life into systematic indoctrination and exploitation, we will work for these corporations so the men at the top can benefit whilst we do not question the clear injustice and suffer until we die unknown in a morbid hospital attached to pipes and machines, people are constantly trying to make names for themselves and receive attention from others cause of the clothes they wear or the drugs they take or because how many people they have exploited and insulted, we are constantly putting on false social facades to please others expectations but yet do not truly please and respect ourselves, we are all told to think certain ways and to act certain ways and do not question this, people are unaware of the demented way our society and nations function and exploit and isolate the weak and defenceless and people that are not with the norm. our world and culture is ultimately immoral, The privileged Humans take Hedonism and Materialism for granted whilst the weak and defenceless suffer and most people are not even AWARE of it, if we were we would be feeding the starving, we would be treating the ill, we would be fixing our pathetic hedonistic ways stemming from primitive human nature received in the material world, we must Ascend from this Evil Nature that spawns Hedonistic and Materialistic impulses and corruption and harmonise with eachover in order to Advance and Enlighten ALL of Humanity, To form a Global Utopia free of Negativity/Evil and Consistent in happiness and Advancements with the ultimate goal of solving the Mystery of our Existence. This can only be done through entirely reforming the way we live and perceive collectively, Political Systems, Society, Science and the Issue of currency, This reform can only be achieved if humanity awakes and is aware of the Hell we exist in to form a Garden Of Eden of Pure Ideology, A Moral, Logical and United Ideology more powerful than any Fleet, Army or Evil on Earth and Beyond, we Must Ascend.

You ask why am i so judging of other False Ideologies and that is because i am open minded, i have done deep research into all aspects of Life and Reality ranging from Human Nature to History to Psychology and to Science (Both conventional and unconventional) and piece everything together in order to form the full picture and to be aware of true reality, what is more likely to be Truth and what likely is to be false,This is justified by the truth of Duality. i must speak harshly as im sincerely serious, truthful and caring of Humanities condition and will not sugar coat the deception and morality that leads to billions suffering whilst others benefit through this Evil, You Ask why do i believe my ideology to be the ultimate truth and that is for you to Answer as you must Consciously Ascend from everything this material plane has subjectively indoctrinated and hardwired into your mind, just be alone with your true self absent of outside pressure and influence and observe your thoughts and everything around you just look at the world and how twisted and divided and sad it is and how you will die and be forgotten look at how imperfect it is, No GOOD god/being, energy or entity would ever create a plane of existence like our own that is seeking to constantly harm and kill us through unexplained natural and cosmic phenomenon,Awareness Is a key to Revelation, If an Ant had Human Consciousness and is walking on an extremely large sphere it will believe that it exists in an entirely flat plane as it is too small and is too unaware to detect the curve of the sphere(The Knowledge hidden in plain sight) but if the ant can Ascend it can be aware and enlightened of its true reality and plane it exists on instead of being decieved by its standard perceptions given to it by the corrupt world it exists in, We must realise and be aware of the Truth and Knowledge hidden in plain site, why is everything the way it is just why, we must Ascend and be aware of this why and there we will be revealed the Revelation, the Truth The Beginning The End and The Eternal, THE ASCENSION.
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