Satanism

[Woozle Wuzzle]

(09-02-2009 07:51 PM)The Warrior Wrote:  

Quote:seein god and satan everywhere is simply seein black and white. you can see good and bad but you label it as god and satan? wheres the proof?

[quote]First of all you are assuming what I meant here. I did not say that all good and bad is God and Satan. It doesn't work that way. God and Satan influence us each and every day. What we do about those influences is our choice....it is called free will. Proof? It is everywhere. Open your eyes and your mind.[quote]

you say all good and bad is not god and satan then you state that they influence us. ok, no difference there. then you use christianitys great excuse about mans free will. unoriginal and doesnt change the fact that a divine influence is upon us dictating our lives. you have offered no proof still. oh and i did open my eyes and mind; thats when i became an atheist.

Quote:God is Dead. yes the concept of god.

Quote:This is ludicrous. If the concept of God is dead...why are we discussing it? Perhaps it is your soul that is dead to the concept of God.

why discuss anything?

Quote:jesus made no sacrifice as he appeared back to life 3 days later. thats not a sacrifice. if i died for u id be dead, end of me and my life: a true sacrifice. i wud be dead and whatever i died for would be the reason for it. like i said, jesus reappeared so thats not a sacrifice at all.

Quote:Pitch already explained this to you. I'm not going to argue with you about the sacrifice that was made on our behalf. It was made....period....and it is not up for discussion. If you don't appreciate it or respect it then there is nothing I or anyone can do about it.

Obviously its right here in discussion as we speak. So why did you bring it up if you dont want to argue it? and i already stated that there is no sacrifice cuz god cheated and brought him back to life. that sounds like special treatment to me. and i sure dont respect that the "son of god" gets resurrected while the rest of us die for good. interesting, if theres nuthin "you or anyone can do" to make me think otherwise then why are you arguing all this to begin with?

Quote:i am an atheist. you feel sorry for me cuz i dont cling to an imaginary being to guide my life when there is no being at all there to guide anything? sorry but all i can do is guide myself cuz without me then there really is noone guiding me. you then end your post with the possibility of Satan guiding me is better than nothing. wow that sure makes sense comin from sumone who claims god is real and the right way to go.

Quote:God and Jesus are not imaginary....whether you choose to acknowledge their existence or not. And again....you are assuming to know what I meant by the following quote:

they are imaginary, you are assuming they are real.

Quote:Now for all atheists I have only one thing to say at this moment. I am sorry that you have no one to turn to when their is no one else left. Trust me...I have been in the lonely dark place...the place where suicide seems like the only option....the place where your emotional pain radiates through your bones....the place where your mind echos and there is nothing but darkness. I am sorry to you who experience that alone. God saved me and brought me from that darkness. I hope you can find enough strength to do that without the aide of something...whether it be dark or light forces...ie...God or Satan.

Quote:No where did I say it would be the way to go....to follow Satan that is. What I meant was if you think you are able to go through life all on your own without the aide of a higher power then you are mistaken. You really are relying on Satan who is in turn telling you that he and God don't exist. And yes...people can be aided in their times of need by the devil....a contract can be entered into.....one in which your very soul is on the line.

Don't take my words and twist and manipulate them to use against me. I'm not that easily thrown off. If you don't understand something I have said then say so. Surely if you can read Nietche then you can read between the lines.

Sadly yes i can read Nietzche and i read between yours. that last quote of yours was so polluted with, as you accused me of, twisting and manipulating, that i could very well accuse you of being a servant of satan through your very own words that you would use as propoganda for the ignorant to join your side. i can understand what you said easily, so dont think the readers here are so dumb that they will just fall into line as you are automatically correct.

I pity you Warrior, who would go so far as to not take the path of jesus over contempt of my decision not to follow your beliefs.

[CMF]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!

[The Warrior]

WW..........

Quote:First of all you are assuming what I meant here. I did not say that all good and bad is God and Satan. It doesn't work that way. God and Satan influence us each and every day.

Quote:you say all good and bad is not god and satan then you state that they influence us. ok, no difference there. then you use christianitys great excuse about mans free will. unoriginal and doesnt change the fact that a divine influence is upon us dictating our lives. you have offered no proof still. oh and i did open my eyes and mind; thats when i became an atheist.

You start out this thread with a quote from Nietzche and say I'm not original?

Obviously you still don't get it. I wasn't trying to be "original"....are you? Free will doesn't leave room for dictation. You decide wheter to be good or to sin. YOU DECIDE. Yes...you are influenced....and don't be so ignorant to tell me that your life is without influence. YOUR DECISION determines your fate. God doesn't choose to send you to Hell...you choose to be without God. Satan doesn't choose for you to be in Hell....you do. If God was such a dictator then there would not be any evil and there wouldn't be a choice....we would all be God's robots.

Quote:God is Dead. yes the concept of god.

Quote:This is ludicrous. If the concept of God is dead...why are we discussing it? Perhaps it is your soul that is dead to the concept of God.

Quote:why discuss anything?

Apparently you aren't the philospher you claim to be. My comment was sarcastic. You can't discuss/argue a "dead concept". And I still stick by the comment that it is your soul that is dead to the concept of God.

Quote:Pitch already explained this to you. I'm not going to argue with you about the sacrifice that was made on our behalf. It was made....period....and it is not up for discussion. If you don't appreciate it or respect it then there is nothing I or anyone can do about it.

Quote:Obviously its right here in discussion as we speak. So why did you bring it up if you dont want to argue it? and i already stated that there is no sacrifice cuz god cheated and brought him back to life. that sounds like special treatment to me. and i sure dont respect that the "son of god" gets resurrected while the rest of us die for good. interesting, if theres nuthin "you or anyone can do" to make me think otherwise then why are you arguing all this to begin with?

I didn't say I wouldn't discuss it with you....I said no one could do anything about your disrespect for the fact that Jesus died for us. Back to free will here. You have obviously already made up your mind. Your not searching for answers or asking questions....instead your outright words are blasphemy....and it is not up to anyone here what God will have to say about that. You will have to face God for that on your own. When you realize that he is real it will be too late for you to change your mind. You will also be judged for all the souls you influenced with your blasphemy.

God cheated? Hello....he is the maker of the rules....he can't cheat. It is apparent that you are not well versed in the Bible. If you understood the concept of Jesus dying for our salvation you would understand that "we don't die for good"....we go on for eternity. Eternity with or without God....the choice is ours. The Devil chose to be without God. Those who go to Hell choose to be without God. Jesus died so we wouldn't have to go by the strict, almost impossible perfect laws of God as described in the Old Testament. You think that was nothing? You think dying on a cross...being humiliated in front of your own mother so that centuries later people like you could be this disrespectful was nothing? You think he gets preferential treatment? Obviously you have never been in the shoes of the one with the "special treatment". More is expected of you. "For those whom much is given, much is expected"

For example...you are the son of a wealthy factory owner. The economy is in a state of recession....your father isn't arrogant...but a loving Christian man that cares for his employees like they are family. As his son...you are praised by employees in front of everyone....but they all talk behind your back. You have your family...and you love and respect your Dad....but in a way you are alone. You can never be out of line...you have an appearance to live up to. Everybody else can do this or that...everybody else can think this or that....but more is expected of you. You feel the pain of your father...the worries of how to make everything stay together....and you have grown to love these employees...whom some you know secretly care for you too...and who are quiet when the rest talk about you. You worry about them like you would your own brother or sister. Well times are getting worse and your father is going to have to lay some people off. You as the son...step up and sacrafice your job...quit to save the jobs of the other employees. Sure your dad still takes care of you...but the humility of having to admit that times were too tight...the rumors...did Dad make you quit for something you did wrong....etc. Now I know this is a weak example of what Jesus actually did for us....but since you seem to only think in earthly terms...I found an earthly example for you. In this case would you not respect the son either? BTW....I am not comparing this son to Jesus or putting him in the same category....only trying to show you that being a "son" is always as easy going as you want it to appear.

Quote:God and Jesus are not imaginary....whether you choose to acknowledge their existence or not. And again....you are assuming to know what I meant by the following quote:

Quote:they are imaginary, you are assuming they are real.

NO....they are real...you are assuming they are imaginary. Proof you want. The closest I can give you is in mathematics. Look at the mathematical....infinity. Pi. The missing component of a circle. Now God is the alpha and the omega...the beginning and the end.
You talk about death being absolute....where is this mathematically? Even in science...energy transforms. Now lets look at your "truth"...the "imaginary"....represented by i in mathematics. (it doesn't even have a numerical representation) i is how you calculate negatives divided by negatives. i is how you explain the concept of "nothing" geometrically with theorems. WHEN YOU CAN GIVE ME A MATHEMATICAL SOLUTION THAT PROVES THAT i = pi THEN TALK TO ME ABOUT GOD NOT BEING REAL. And since i which has no number is what is used to prove that nothing = nothing....then I say atheist = nothing = i = no number. So man....you are the one who is not real.

Quote:Sadly yes i can read Nietzche and i read between yours. that last quote of yours was so polluted with, as you accused me of, twisting and manipulating, that i could very well accuse you of being a servant of satan through your very own words that you would use as propoganda for the ignorant to join your side. i can understand what you said easily, so dont think the readers here are so dumb that they will just fall into line as you are automatically correct.

I pity you Warrior, who would go so far as to not take the path of jesus over contempt of my decision not to follow your beliefs.

Ok....so you can make me into a servant of Satan....interesting. Where exactly is it that I didn't follow my beliefs in Jesus? I seriously doubt that you can twist anything I say into meaning that I believe anything other than what I believe. You can try...but you can't change who I am. FREE WILL. I am a Christian. God is my Lord and Saviour. Jesus is the son of God and he died for my salvation...and yours although you choose to throw that gift out the window. Together with the Holy Spirit they make the Holy Trinity.....and Circle encompasses it all and is infinite and truthful.

Pity me? No WW....you are arrogant and lost....and unless you can find the correct path to walk on....you know the narrow one...then it is you that needs pity. Nothing it is that you shall find in death......although it will be something...it will a bottomless black pit of silence. Your hell is what you make it....your soul will rest where YOU CHOOSE.

[eyepriestess]

I don't know how anyone is supposed to give proof of God Woozle.

When you say God is dead, that is quite a ridiculous thing to say, how do you know for a fact that God doesn't exist and is dead? You keep telling everyone else on here that they are stating absurd things but then you say that...wow! this has just turned into a battle. I hate it when people cannot say what they believe without getting attacked all the time on here. It's ok to say you don't believe, but you don't have to go off like you have.

If you don't believe in God, then that's up to you, but to ask people who do believe to prove his existance is taking this debate into a deliberate and over the top argument.

I believe in God because i encountered evil once, when i prayed for help it was taken away from me straight away, but that could be coincidence hey, at bang on the right time.

Jesus did exist and died on the cross for our sins, how is that not sacrifice? Please don't answer as i don't intend coming on this thread anymore.

[Pitch Potter]

Quote:I pity you Warrior, who would go so far as to not take the path of Jesus over contempt of my decision not to follow your beliefs.

Don’t follow this belief. That is fine. Go about your own way. That’s fine too. Don’t believe in God. Don’t believe in Satan. Believe in yourself, for yourself is all you have. Nothing more.

When you close your eyes in death, they will open one more time. When you come face to face with the Creator, and he asks, “Why did you persecute me?” What will your answer be? Don’t answer us here now, for we are not the ones who need to know nor the ones who will judge you, but He is. You have the rest of your life to come up with an answer and pray your life is long enough and does not end tomorrow.

I will tell you what most people do know, when you hear of the truth of Jesus, of God, of Satan and you reject this truth, this life is your only chance. Those of us who are committed to spreading the good news, of salvation, of a chance for eternal life, can no longer waste our time on one who so openly refuses to see what is before him and rejects the One that made him.

We must moved on to more fertile ground, where the soil is rich and the seed of truth can spring to life and grow until the harvest. For our time before the harvest is short.

Remember God loves you and you are breaking His heart that you are rejecting the most precious gift that He ever gave man. He ask nothing from you but your devotion, your worship, and that you live a life filled with joy, no pain or tears. He can give you that and so much more. God is a patient God, but there is a time limit for He must move on with the original plan he had when He thrust the Universe out into the void, and set time into motion.

I, too, am leaving this discussion. There are others who want to know before it is too late.

[Haunted Lady]

(08-22-2009 04:04 PM)The Warrior Wrote:  Well I never thought of the quote that way. But your right....we are in a generation of "me" right now. I try my best everyday to do things the right way for everyone involved. Sometimes I mess up and have to apologize. I really try my best to analyze myself constantly to become a better person. I learned this concept in AA (alcoholics anymous)...it is part of the twelve step recovery program. The thing is...the program is good for anyone, alcoholic or not. We take a fearless, moral inventory of soul...search for our faults and seek to improve them....and when possible we apologize to those we have wronged. When you get to the end of the program...you redo the last 3-4 steps over and over for your entire life. You "clean up" your side of the street so to speak.

Warrior, I don't know if you are aware of the origin of the 12 steps used in Alcoholics Anonymous...they are taken from The Oxford Group. a Christian movement that began in the 1920's. A more thorough look at the principles and practices of self examination and restitution is available here in pdf format: http://stepstudy.org/downloads-2/

[The Warrior]

Thanks...I printed it off and will read it later tonight.

[jennieboo]

well this is the topic center for religeon and what im about to say sounds strange. i know alot of you out there could probably shred it to peices. I dont have religeon(. but i'll tell you what i do have .i have jesus in myheart i have slvation. i dont have a set of rules that are impossable to follow because im human i make mistakes. but ive accepted and have become a humble enough person to lay it all down on gods feet and to ask for forgivness and the knowlege and faith that god loves me and everyone enough to forgive those sins.i belive that when i invited him into my heart that the rules were no longer looked apon something that i had to follow becuase i had to or i was going to hell or something bad was going to happen but that i was trying my best to act in the way jesus would want me too.sometimes like the saying goes seeing is not beliveing but beliveing is see. ect ect. on another note i'm not on her to lecture anyone or to tell somone they are going to hell. thats not my call to make.i just hate how some christians actions have turned others away from jesus.you know what guys we may all have our differneces but we have something in common. We All dont have the answeres.but we all have qeustions. we were not the ones that created this world. so lets just all agree to give eatch other some grace. After all there is no stairway to heaven and there is no way to live the perfect life.
Galations(3:1-4:31)

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heres something i wanted to share thats alittle less heavy and will hopefully make some of you laugh. When i was little i belived that when i died and went to heaven that i would get wings.when the lady from sunday school told me that wasn't the case i was sooooo mad! i just think it would be so awesome to have angel wings lol.

[Pitch Potter]

Simply and well put, bless you. Yes, just because we have accepted Christ and Savior, does not mean we will not ever commit another sin. We fight temptations everyday, and will until our death or Christ 's return. But when we stray, we stopped and get back on the path. We ask for forgiveness, because we know that He will, and we strive to learn and to do better. It is a constant struggle and we must remain vigilant for Satan is at our ear whispering.

[The Warrior]

jennieboo your words are beautiful. Really.

Pitch....yes the devil whispers into my ears daily. Some days it is easier to fight than others. I strive to not sin....but I always end up "falling short of the glory of God". The thing is...the closer I get to God....the harder it is to not to feel bad for even the smallest of sins. I cannot even tell a "white lie" anymore. My lips actually freeze. I either don't answer and change the subject...I say I can't say or I tell the truth. Even with that...its a sin to think about lying.....so I understand what you mean about the "little sin"