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Do you think the bible is real?
#11
(06-02-2009, 10:06 PM)Friend001 Wrote: now that you mention it I do remember watching a show about how mankind originated from one man and one women well maybe there is some truth in the bible but it's all a little blown out of proportion...

Do you really think its a good ideal to support your faith upon the whole ideal that one man and one woman were the cause of it all? I personally think that there is evidence in the bible itself that others existed at the same time....give me a moment as I look at the bible for what I am about to say.
"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." Ephesians 6:11
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#12
(06-02-2009, 10:14 PM)The Warrior Wrote:
(06-02-2009, 10:06 PM)Friend001 Wrote: now that you mention it I do remember watching a show about how mankind originated from one man and one women well maybe there is some truth in the bible but it's all a little blown out of proportion...

Do you really think its a good ideal to support your faith upon the whole ideal that one man and one woman were the cause of it all? I personally think that there is evidence in the bible itself that others existed at the same time....give me a moment as I look at the bible for what I am about to say.

well this is going to sound very ignorant but I never really read the bible the main reason I thought it was untruthful were those 2 stories now that I have been shown that it could of happened I'm not in total disbelief of the bible anymore.
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#13
Ok...here we go....

God created Adam and Eve. The devil tempted Eve in the Garden of Eden and then Eve tempted Adam. Eve bore two children, Cain and Able. Cain out of jealously killed his brother Abel. Cain was banished from the garden of Eden by God....and Cain pleaded with God..."My punishment is greater than I can bear. For you have banished me from my farm and from you, and made me a fugitive and a tramp; and everyone who sees me will try to kill me." The Lord replied, "They won't kill you, for I will give seven times your punishment to anyone who does." So Cain went out from the presence of the Lord and settled in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Then Cain's wife conceived and presented him with a baby son named Enoch.

If Cain was Eve's first child and Abel the second....where did these people come from that Cain argued with God about? Where did his wife come from? Who were these people from the land of Nod? Please do not think that I am taking God out of the picture only that there is more to this story that the bible illustrates. We cannot blame God for this no more than we can blame him for the hypocrites that exist in today's church. Personally I believe that this confusion is necessary. Faith wouldn't be so hard if it were so easy to prove. Faith wouldn't be so hard if these flaws did not exist. Like I said I'm not fluent in the bible....but I have started reading from beginning to end and this particular irregularity came to me almost immediately.
"Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." Ephesians 6:11
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#14
I covered this in Second Event Chronicles and I took liberties in Millennial Chronicles. My thought about Adam and Eve in the Garden, what they had is only vaguely described but gives the idea of perfection. What is confusing is the length of time. Human history is what, 6000 years? Recorded history that is. When they were ousted, they inherited a world in chaos. They had to earn their livelihood now. I believe they were the first 'caveman!' It took millennium to regain even a portion of what they once had. They even lost memory of this existence. God's time is not Man's time, we know this. For me, what my Bible tells me and what science has revealed, complement rather than conflict.
Moses, living centuries later wrote a condensed version of Man’s early history. He was not a witness to those events and wrote under divine inspiration. This is defiantly where faith comes in, for you must believe what is written, that this is truth, for God cannot lie and would not allow His word to be tainted. Later translation could be contaminated by satanic influences. Satan is still trying to take God’s throne and to bring down Man. He does not want to be in Hades, Hell, alone.
Man has a developed brain which lower vertebrates do not possess, and he possess a spirit that is the only thing which set Man above every other creature on Earth. God created Man in His image, only the great apes remotely resembled Man but lack spirit. Man is the only creature who is self-aware. We know we will die! Do other animals even consider tomorrow or where they will sleep, where their next meal is coming from? I dare say not. They live for the moment. All of their action comes from instinct, which is genetically passed down through the generations.

The Big Band theory? God held in His hand the formula for the Universe, He breathed on it, thus creating or imparting His will into His creation. Ingraining the building blocks of life and much more. He flung this one atom out into the void of space setting into motion the events of Universal growth, from the formation of stars to the birth of Man. It took eons for this to happen and it is still happening. The creation story was again condensed and written in such a way that even a child could understand. For it has only been recent in Man growth that he came to understanding and to question. This was no accident, for we were given free will and choice. How we use this will have great bearing on you eventual induction into God’ family. Thus the surprise ending in MC.
God is infinite, he is eternal, He is supernatural, He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. He has time, limitless time, why would He rushed creation? What is the eventual plan for Man? The Bible stops after the Millennial Rule of Christ, I took liberties and speculated on what I think. For now Man is immortal, he has been inducted into the family of God. He now fulfills his true destiny.
I look at the Bible as a condensed rendition of the history of the Universe. I believe what is there. As a Christian, how can I not? I also know much of it is symbolic. Revelations certainly is which is why when the time comes, the Tribulation will not be recognized and many will fall during this time. The Earth will be filled with the dead, creating a feast for the birds of the sky and the beast of fields.
There are lessons in our Bible, lessons we can learned from, but we aren’t and is why Man will almost bring about his own destruction were it not for the intervention of Jesus at His second coming.
I have a special place in my heart for atheists, for they only have this life and nothing to look forward to. I would not want to live this life knowing it is all I get, I wish to continue.

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#15
(06-02-2009, 05:01 PM)Friend001 Wrote: because I don't, atleast I don't think everything in it should be taken seriously I think it should be taken more as a metaphor. Wouldn't you agree?

The Bible is real, because you can go buy it at many bookstores and many people possess one, so it would be hard to disprove that it is not real. All lame joking aside, Most events probably did happen, just not the way they were told in the Bible. I have a post about the plagues sent on Egypt by Moses, although probably could go in for some better detail. The post is here:
Were the 10 plagues sent on Egypt by Moses real?

Anyways, Demon possessions in the bible could just be "seizures" or hallucinations I think I read somewhere.......
There are some things that probably cannot be explained as far as I know, like the parting of the Red Sea. These might be just works of fiction. I think the Bible was created to give humanity something to believe in, for as Jeffrey Fieger put it, "If you don't believe in something, then you believe in nothing." Also Its a good read on a long road trip, so it could have been made for entertainment. But it also is life a life guide on how to life a well life, because it has guidelines for almost every single situation.
Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. Terry Pratchett
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#16
Now that I look back on my quote by Feiger, I probably could of used someone else because, some people do not think that he knows what he is doing. He is a lawyer though so I thought he would be a good source. I still back up my use of the quote.
Light thinks it travels faster than anything but it is wrong. No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it. Terry Pratchett
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#17
The bible's a guide line if anything. If people took all of it seriously ALL the time, bad things would happen to alot of people. (i would like to take the time to remind any of the more immpressionable readers that feeding people to lions, sacrificing animals and nailing people to large sticks is a bloody stupid thing to do.)
When i wake up everything will be all right...
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#18
(06-03-2009, 01:09 PM)dyingenglish Wrote: The bible's a guide line if anything. If people took all of it seriously ALL the time, bad things would happen to alot of people. (i would like to take the time to remind any of the more immpressionable readers that feeding people to lions, sacrificing animals and nailing people to large sticks is a bloody stupid thing to do.)

Have you ever actually read the Bible? feeding people to lions or nailing people to large sticks was never advocated by the biblical writers - all those things were done by the"bad guys"

sacrificing animals was a practice of Jews under the "old law" and is not taught whatsoever by Jesus or Christianity.

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#19
I believe it's real. I don't follow it but it's a very interesting book and I respect religions/people who follow it.
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#20
I've always doubted that it was real.Like seriously.I don't think that things that supposidly happened that long ago could be remembered and written down by some guy who claims to know it.I know,being a christian,that it's probably wrong to doubt the word of the bible but science seems more realistic.But that's my own opinion and I'm not telling other people that if they believe it's right,that they're wrong.
"These are the darkest clouds that have surrounded me"-Within Temptation
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