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rob707 · 05-20-2009, 07:09 PM

(05-20-2009 05:37 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: Well my next suggestion is go watch this video it may help you understand better.
http://grou.ps/wwps/videos/409123
I also recommend this video after the first one.

i can understand why you are so skeptical since you have not even had the chance to see it, i would not believe it either, but i see it every night now for 5 or 6 nights, and each night the faces are differant, also i think demon faces should be more like evil looking might be a better name, they are all old men, who look rather evil

brxle · 05-21-2009, 06:00 AM

Hey rob707

Let's see if we can do a bit of sleuthing, if you're game??

First we ought to determine if it's something natural.

Are the images visible at any time or just certain times?

I'm no expert on tvs but there was a time when a picture left long enough on the screen could imprint it. Could this be the case? If it is the images should be visible at any time provided the light is right. Turn on your tv. Can you darken the room - the middle of the day is best, just cover all the windows etc. Can you see the images?

Remove the camera from the tv. Are the images still there?

I'd try to leave the windows covered for a time to nix any reflection from the windows - the same thing for lights these can all throw shadows and bright spots.

This would be a place to at least begin to sort this out.

rob707 · (This post was last modified: 05-22-2009 10:22 PM by rob707.)

(05-21-2009 06:00 AM)brxle Wrote: Hey rob707

Let's see if we can do a bit of sleuthing, if you're game??

First we ought to determine if it's something natural.

Are the images visible at any time or just certain times?

I'm no expert on tvs but there was a time when a picture left long enough on the screen could imprint it. Could this be the case? If it is the images should be visible at any time provided the light is right. Turn on your tv. Can you darken the room - the middle of the day is best, just cover all the windows etc. Can you see the images?

Remove the camera from the tv. Are the images still there?

I'd try to leave the windows covered for a time to nix any reflection from the windows - the same thing for lights these can all throw shadows and bright spots.

This would be a place to at least begin to sort this out.

thank you for replying and for trying help me sort this out, but i think the problem is that i,m not explaining how this is going down, so i,ll try again and i,ll better explain, i have a camera sitting in my window looking "through" the glass, at day time its perfect veiw, but when it switchs to night view, it gets a reflection, kind of like the window is now a mirror, and thats normal i think, but now the reflection is several

several old men, from the shoulder up, all evil looking, how many there varies from about five to about twenty, they always have a skull face on the screen too, i,ve had about 10 or so friends come look at this and all agree the weirdest and strangest thing, you dont have to hunt them, they are right there, it will make you jump if not ready to see them, im not bull sh""" any one, i wonder what this is leading to, this in my bedroom, sleep is gettin to be uneasy thanks again

UglyNRude · 05-23-2009, 05:05 AM

An IR camera pointed at glass or a mirror get infrared contamination. An infrared camera will not shoot through glass. Anyone looking at a sheet of glass with infrared is more likely to see their own reflection.
Now if your so certain you have ..... ghosts, put a piece of cardboard between your lens and the glass. You now will no longer get the infrared bouncing all over and your wonderful pareidolia will disappear. Or ..... open your windows so the IR isn't bouncing of the glass. If you have ghost they will still be there.
People will tell you not to ever point an infrared camera at glass or a mirror. It will create all sorts of weird shapes. The same goes with the more expensive thermal imaging camera, they will show heat signatures or reflect off the glass but not register the other side of the glass. We have explained why your seeing images.
This is a warning by a security camera manufacturer
Be sure to install it outside. Remember how the light reflected off of nocturnal animals' eyes to make them glaringly bright? This can also happen if you install the camera indoors and it tries to film through glass.

brxle · 05-23-2009, 09:39 AM

I'm not very savvy with the tech part of the paranormal - but I am with the metaphysical aspect, in other words, I get impressions, see, hear, entities without the aid of instruments. But, I never just take what I see and hear at face value. I always look for a natural explanation first. There isn't always one.

I believe you are experiencing something - and yes it is very real. But like UglyNRude pointed out there is the chance that the camera is doing this.

We believe what you are saying - we're just trying to get to the bottom of it. If it has a reasonable explanation that would be great, right?

In all my experiences I have always been able to 'make contact' without cameras, evps and anything else folks are using, so I think I can say with a bit of authority that if something is there it will still be there if you do as UglyNRude mentioned and put a piece of cardboard between the glass or as he said open the window. And he's right if they're there, they will still be there.

Now, just on the line that perhaps you need some aid in viewing these guys keep something in mind - if they can project through the camera onto the tv they can project without the help of the camera. If they can't they'll find another way to make contact with you. Really, give this a try and just see what happens - let us know and we'll go on from there.

rob707 · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2009 12:11 PM by rob707.)

(05-23-2009 05:05 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: An IR camera pointed at glass or a mirror get infrared contamination. An infrared camera will not shoot through glass. Anyone looking at a sheet of glass with infrared is more likely to see their own reflection.
Now if your so certain you have ..... ghosts, put a piece of cardboard between your lens and the glass. You now will no longer get the infrared bouncing all over and your wonderful pareidolia will disappear. Or ..... open your windows so the IR isn't bouncing of the glass. If you have ghost they will still be there.
People will tell you not to ever point an infrared camera at glass or a mirror. It will create all sorts of weird shapes. The same goes with the more expensive thermal imaging camera, they will show heat signatures or reflect off the glass but not register the other side of the glass. We have explained why your seeing images.
This is a warning by a security camera manufacturer
Be sure to install it outside. Remember how the light reflected off of nocturnal animals' eyes to make them glaringly bright? This can also happen if you install the camera indoors and it tries to film through glass.

you dont get it, and probably never will.

(05-23-2009 09:39 AM)brxle Wrote: I'm not very savvy with the tech part of the paranormal - but I am with the metaphysical aspect, in other words, I get impressions, see, hear, entities without the aid of instruments. But, I never just take what I see and hear at face value. I always look for a natural explanation first. There isn't always one.

I believe you are experiencing something - and yes it is very real. But like UglyNRude pointed out there is the chance that the camera is doing this.

We believe what you are saying - we're just trying to get to the bottom of it. If it has a reasonable explanation that would be great, right?

In all my experiences I have always been able to 'make contact' without cameras, evps and anything else folks are using, so I think I can say with a bit of authority that if something is there it will still be there if you do as UglyNRude mentioned and put a piece of cardboard between the glass or as he said open the window. And he's right if they're there, they will still be there.

Now, just on the line that perhaps you need some aid in viewing these guys keep something in mind - if they can project through the camera onto the tv they can project without the help of the camera. If they can't they'll find another way to make contact with you. Really, give this a try and just see what happens - let us know and we'll go on from there.

ok if i open the window of course there is no reflection, hence no faces of these old men, same with the evp,s with out a recorder do you still here them, i dont think so, but i wonder if these things may be coming through the same way that evp,s come through, just a thought, but i bet i,m on to somthing there

(05-23-2009 12:04 PM)rob707 Wrote:
(05-23-2009 05:05 AM)UglyNRude Wrote: An IR camera pointed at glass or a mirror get infrared contamination. An infrared camera will not shoot through glass. Anyone looking at a sheet of glass with infrared is more likely to see their own reflection.
Now if your so certain you have ..... ghosts, put a piece of cardboard between your lens and the glass. You now will no longer get the infrared bouncing all over and your wonderful pareidolia will disappear. Or ..... open your windows so the IR isn't bouncing of the glass. If you have ghost they will still be there.
People will tell you not to ever point an infrared camera at glass or a mirror. It will create all sorts of weird shapes. The same goes with the more expensive thermal imaging camera, they will show heat signatures or reflect off the glass but not register the other side of the glass. We have explained why your seeing images.
This is a warning by a security camera manufacturer
Be sure to install it outside. Remember how the light reflected off of nocturnal animals' eyes to make them glaringly bright? This can also happen if you install the camera indoors and it tries to film through glass.

you dont get it, and probably never will.

(05-23-2009 09:39 AM)brxle Wrote: I'm not very savvy with the tech part of the paranormal - but I am with the metaphysical aspect, in other words, I get impressions, see, hear, entities without the aid of instruments. But, I never just take what I see and hear at face value. I always look for a natural explanation first. There isn't always one.

I believe you are experiencing something - and yes it is very real. But like UglyNRude pointed out there is the chance that the camera is doing this.

We believe what you are saying - we're just trying to get to the bottom of it. If it has a reasonable explanation that would be great, right?

In all my experiences I have always been able to 'make contact' without cameras, evps and anything else folks are using, so I think I can say with a bit of authority that if something is there it will still be there if you do as UglyNRude mentioned and put a piece of cardboard between the glass or as he said open the window. And he's right if they're there, they will still be there.

Now, just on the line that perhaps you need some aid in viewing these guys keep something in mind - if they can project through the camera onto the tv they can project without the help of the camera. If they can't they'll find another way to make contact with you. Really, give this a try and just see what happens - let us know and we'll go on from there.
ok if i open the window of course there is no reflection, hence no faces of these old men, same with the evp,s with out a recorder do you still here them, i dont think so, but i wonder if these things may be coming through the same way that evp,s come through, just a thought, but i bet i,m on to somthing there

also, yes they would probably still be there, but would i still be able to see them, or just the piece of wood?

brxle · 05-23-2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:"same with the evp,s with out a recorder do you still here them,"

I don't need a recorder, or a camera - and no, I'm not nuts Smile

. So, what that tells me is, first of all Yes, I believe you. Second, these entities can communicate without the help of instruments.

What we're trying to determine is if there is any chance there could be a natural source, ie the camera.

Why do we do that?

'Cause sometimes there is a normal explanation for these things and it would be very irresponsible of us to ignore that fact. It's so easy to say, "Oh my goodness, you're being haunted" and get all excited. That doesn't help anyone.

Quote:but i wonder if these things may be coming through the same way that evp,s come through, just a thought, but i bet i,m on to somthing there

You could be right. That's what we're trying to determine. Let's say you take out the camera - and take out their way to communicate - why could they not then communicate through just your tv? If they can use a camera, surely they can use the tv?? I don't see why not.

I'm also wondering - I might have this part wrong - but if they are coming through the camera and projected through the tv - can't you record it? It would be something to try. It might not work, but why not give it a try?

Quote: i bet i,m on to somthing there

You might be, now you have to take it that one step further. See if you can get a recording. You've got nothing to lose in trying.

Besides that, have you looked into any cause for these 'old men' contacting you? Do they have a connection to you or is there a connection to the house? Anything at all you can think of? When did all this start?

rob707 · (This post was last modified: 05-23-2009 03:59 PM by rob707.)

(05-23-2009 02:52 PM)brxle Wrote:
Quote:"same with the evp,s with out a recorder do you still here them,"

I don't need a recorder, or a camera - and no, I'm not nuts . So, what that tells me is, first of all Yes, I believe you. Second, these entities can communicate without the help of instruments.

What we're trying to determine is if there is any chance there could be a natural source, ie the camera.

Why do we do that?

'Cause sometimes there is a normal explanation for these things and it would be very irresponsible of us to ignore that fact. It's so easy to say, "Oh my goodness, you're being haunted" and get all excited. That doesn't help anyone.

Quote:but i wonder if these things may be coming through the same way that evp,s come through, just a thought, but i bet i,m on to somthing there

You could be right. That's what we're trying to determine. Let's say you take out the camera - and take out their way to communicate - why could they not then communicate through just your tv? If they can use a camera, surely they can use the tv?? I don't see why not.

I'm also wondering - I might have this part wrong - but if they are coming through the camera and projected through the tv - can't you record it? It would be something to try. It might not work, but why not give it a try?

Quote: i bet i,m on to somthing there

You might be, now you have to take it that one step further. See if you can get a recording. You've got nothing to lose in trying.

Besides that, have you looked into any cause for these 'old men' contacting you? Do they have a connection to you or is there a connection to the house? Anything at all you can think of? When did all this start?

as far as recording it goes, well i,m not electronicaly smart you might say, but if they can get through without the camera if they wanted, then why cant evp get through without the recorder? not trying to be a wise butt, just speculating is all, and i know your not crazy, about your contacts, thanks for believing

the reflection has been as long as i,ve had the camera, two years or so, but the old evil men about one week ago they appeard, been there every night, but each time differant old men, differant expressions, but there expressions change regularly, any way, but not while your looking, if you look away then look back, they some times have a differant look on there face

brxle · 05-23-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:then why cant evp get through without the recorder?

Well depending on what you mean, they can. I'm not going to pretend that I know the absolute answer as to the reason why some people can hear spirits and others can't. - It could be that the spirits themselves are limited but I'm going to guess it's us mortals that are limited.

Quote:but the old evil men about one week ago they appeard,

Anything happen that you can think of that might have brought them out?

Usually, not always, something triggers the visitations. It can be something we are totally unaware of.

Basically my curiosity always gravitates toward trying to find out the story behind any visitations.

I also put a fair amount of weight on how you feel around whatever is happening, this is most often a good indicator of whether or not the entity is evil or not. I know you say it's starting to make you uneasy but what was your very first reaction? (Other than "holy crap!")

eyepriestess · 05-23-2009, 05:21 PM

I believe you and i can tell you are completely at your wits end trying to get through to anyone who will believe you. It is horrible trying to convince people of the paranormal, I know how you feel.

Just do believe you!