Should we bother?

[Ishamael]

(11-13-2010 02:17 PM)Fiona Wrote:  I think science is an outlet to understand the design of the world, of the human body, of the geology that surrounds us. It can also advance medicine.

Science is constantly evolving and revising and updating its theories and its finds, but ultimately, I feel it can only discover what God has put in place!

I agree with that, for sure. Seeing as what God put in place is solely our material universe, that is all that we can ever find with science. Which is what makes both claims, either way, such a claim of faith.

(11-13-2010 01:12 PM)Jenova Wrote:  There's always going to be the issue of religion vs science, most people who are lean towards science choose not to believe in God as they believe science can prove the existence of almost anything- they try to compensate for their disbelief. Its your right to choose, but be open minded. Did it ever occur that their might have never been evolution- the sapiens, etc . That God had created us in the form that we are. I am not declaring science and the evolution to be false but think about the possibilities. I am a believer in God because I have experienced His love all through my life. I hope someday you do to.

Keep Well

Just because I am advocating for the benefits that science brings our world, that doesn't mean that I do not experience or believe in God. Quite the contrary. I believe that God does exist. However, there are some facts that cannot be denied.

Fact #1 is that evolution is very real. When I speak about evolution, you need to understand the context in which it is meant. Organisms on our planet are constantly adapting to find the BEST possible way to ensure the survival of their species. Thus, organisms are constantly trying to find ways to repel enemies and maximize reproduction.

Science is the discovery and understanding of our universe, through facts. Evolution is a fact. And the "sapiens" are just a genus of a type of animal. We share something like 98% of our DNA with a specific prime-ape. Thus, we are a different genus of them. It is a way for us to categorize life on our planet.

Science is just trying to come up with an explanation as to how we got here. That could be, more or less possible. However, it is just as equally possible that God just put the rules in play here, and life progressed as it was meant to, without any other major pushes.

[K2M]

(11-13-2010 02:17 PM)Fiona Wrote:  I believe in God, and that God created this world.

I think science is an outlet to understand the design of the world, of the human body, of the geology that surrounds us. It can also advance medicine.

As far as I can see, science is forever trying to find the explanation and understanding of what God has created.
Science is constantly evolving and revising and updating its theories and its finds, but ultimately, I feel it can only discover what God has put in place!

Fiona, i am giving you a huge AMEN. The answer is so simple.

[spooky47]

I would have to start by saying there is alot of awesome opinions regarding this topic, i believe there is a god also, but i also believe that there is more to the story surrounding god, Jesus & the Bible etc,

Once again awesome Opinions Guys keep it up.
=)

[Ishamael]

In that respect, Spooks, I highly suggest The Last Temptation of Christ (Movie) to anyone who wishes to watch, what I consider, a masterpiece!

[jeff]

I can't quote the scripture in the Bible, but I do recall "the things we can see are only temporary, and it is the invisible things that are permanent."

I suffer with medical conditions which have led to my permanent disability. I have become more skeptical about science and medical technology. I've asked for help from numerous doctors, and I suffer to this very day with my same OLD problems. As a child, I heard from many different sources about these "wonderful advances in science and medicine." These wonderful things may exist, but I've never received any treatment to heal me..., they may as well have never existed as they have also become a source of my resentment and mistrust.

I can nearly nail down the exact cause of my problems, "accidents" in a word. I don't blame God. I do lay part of the blame for my suffering on science and medicine. How would you feel if technologies existed, but only for those with all the right resources? Say, let's see..., how about health insurance? How about a doctor who listens and prescribes drugs and other theraputic treatments to improve the quality of my health?

Where is the science and technology for people who desparately need it? You should know that more than a few people have commited suicide because of this thing called Tinnitus. Tinnitus is not a disease. It is a symptom of some other problem(s). Many things can cause Tinnitus.

Doctors I've seen will not even acknowledge Tinnitus is a real problem. They don't even attempt to treat the symptom. So, my suffering is without end. Tinnitus is severe for me, and it never ends. This symptom makes my daily headaches even worse, as many of my headaches are Migraine headaches.

I am disillusioned by this "science and medicine" I've heard about all my life. It simply isn't there for me. Some days, I think I may lose my sanity. However, I still pray for healing from God Our Father.

It would take more faith to believe some things that Science claims are true than it would take to believe that God does exist. I love to listen and watch shows about Quantum Physics, or even Medicine among other sciences. I love learning. I also like to be entertained.

As for Quantum Physics, there is always "the measurement problem." For me, there is always the "spelling problem," among other problems. I really appreciate "spell check." It does real work, and it lessens the work load for me. Wow! Digital science that make my life bearable. Ha!

While I have your attention, what is a "face-palm?" I'm not young enough to know this one. Science requires faith because it can't explain everything. However, one must also have faith to believe that God really does exist. Faith is the common denominator. So, I guess Science really is a kind of Religion.

Just my opinion..., jeff.

[scarygirl67]

I truly look forward to your posts, Jeff. Some interesting points. Oh, and *facepalm* is used in text to indicate that someone has said something pretty ridiculous (in their opinion of course) =)

[UglyNRude]

Jeff while there are many doctors who are doctors for the money there are still some who truly care about patients. The hard part and expensive part is finding one. Now while many people who have tinnitus will never have a cure others find it goes away on its own. So is science helping you? Yes in a behind the scenes way.


A study in Brazil using acamprosate (Campral), a drug used to treat alcoholism, showed a nearly 87% rate of relief of symptoms. Studies of this drug for treatment of tinnitus are currently ongoing in the United States. So are you abandoned? No but unfortunately you may have born to soon to benefit. How many of the self helps have you tried?

Reducing or avoiding caffeine and salt intake, and quitting smoking may help relieve tinnitus symptoms.

Some tinnitus patients have been found to have lower zinc levels and may benefit from zinc supplementation.

One study showed melatonin may help tinnitus sufferers, particularly those with disturbed sleep due to the tinnitus. However, this is not yet been verified in controlled studies.

A recent study showed many sufferers benefited from vitamin E.

Ginkgo Biloba has been touted as a natural tinnitus remedy, but controlled studies to date have not shown it to be effective.

There are some behavioral and cognitive therapies that have been successful in treating tinnitus. Seeking out a multidisciplinary program at a tinnitus center may improve chances of successful treatment. The types of therapies include tinnitus retraining therapy, masking, and behavioral therapy.

[jeff]

I can't remember now, but I think that Science was originally searching to prove God does exist. I would find it much more difficult to believe that reason will save us all. Some people aren't the least bit interested in the general condition of man's "heart." Issues like trust, and truth are never nearly giving us real peace. Who or what do you trust?

We've had way too much history of killing each other in wars, police actions, and any other word to describe the kind of violence we force upon each other. Ethnic cleansing? Wars over natural resources. I believe we can only expect "reasonable people" to be reasonable. Vice, black markets, extermination, and so on is what we can expect of others who are only looking out for themselves. World History may enlighten us, or demonstrate that we fail to learn our lessons.

I'd be happy if some of this science could be used to treat my illnesses. (spelling?) Then there is always the issue of HEALTH INSURANCE. This is where I have little control over my destiny.

Even if there really is no "here-after," I still cast my vote for God. I'm not about to join any "crusade" and become a part of some kind of idealogical war either. You've chosen your religion? Fine by me! I've chosen mine as well.

Science is also a kind of religion. Science can't explain everything. Those who practice Science seem to be reluctant to confess that sometimes it actually requires "faith" to believe in science. Go figure.