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Two teams investigate and come away with different results - UglyNRude - 02-16-2010 07:38 AM
How can two teams investigate a reported haunted site and come away with drastically different results?
Claims The male ghost was named but the only evidence is the smell of cigar smoke
Female ghost strong smell of perfume
Child ghost makes noises in the kitchen and banging noises
Shadow people seen in basement and a feeling of fear and dread.
Team 1 has been investigating since 2002 well ahead of the TV teams, three scientific, one sensitive.
They go in sets up, interviews staff, most don't want to talk, but one person gives what sounds like a scripted version. 65 hours of research doesn't turn up any deaths, unusual happenings other then one person crushed by a delivery wagon on the same street. Investigation is uneventful, evp work is difficult because of high traffic on street next to site and train traffic. Dumbwaiter is found to amplify these sounds to all floors. The place has lots of mirrors, and hanging pictures to cause glare in IR and photographs. Basement a fear cage is discovered, miscellaneous wiring running over head. Wiring is also discovered in floor giving off high emf. Tables set up in basement have high emf appearing at table tops, upon checking steel rods pick up high emf from floor further adding to fear cage effect. Windows are at ground level and multiple shadows are seen as cars pass or pull into two surrounding parking lots. Kitchen claims on occasion objects fall.
Findings: Not haunted Shadows are from cars outside in parking lots and driving by. Basement fear cage. Train tracks across street, place shakes as trains go by causing objects to fall. Place wants to be called haunted as they promote hunts and seances.
Team 2
Formed in 2008 during tv craze. This team has two claimed psychics and 4 scientific.
Listened to claims of place being haunted. Set up to do investigation. Feelings of dread and heaviness feeling sick, were felt in basement. Glimpses of shadows seen in basement. One psychic felt a person having a hard time breathing, claims person may have died there. Caught lots of unusual EVP's psychic reported voices in these sounds.
Findings: One of the most haunted places in the united sates. Basement felt evil. Lots of voices were were said to be caught on evp's
Now how can such different results be found? How can one team claim to much noise for evp work and other claim lots of voises in the noise?
How can one discover a fear cage and the other call it evil and haunted?
This is whats wrong with the paranormal field. There are no standards and most people haven't a clue how to do an accurate investigation.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - scarygirl67 - 02-16-2010 08:35 AM
Or they don't want to because it isn't exciting enough. The first investigation actually sounded more interesting to me...I love doing research, and while it didn't turn up anything significant to show a possible haunting...it did show how hard the first team worked to find a real answer.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - Haunted Lady - 02-16-2010 09:21 AM
That's what people don't understand. Investigations aren't exciting. They are long drawn out hours of hard work and research. You don't get the excitement and glamour shown on TV shows.
If you aren't looking for real answers, but instead seek excitement and heart pounding adventure this isn't the field for you.
Try parachute diving instead.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - Robot - 02-16-2010 11:58 AM
"This is whats wrong with the paranormal field. There are no standards and most people haven't a clue how to do an accurate investigation."
Perhaps a strong knowledge of Science and Scientific Methodology would help this problem.......
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - Aesalon - 02-16-2010 12:35 PM
(02-16-2010 11:58 AM)Robot Wrote: "This is whats wrong with the paranormal field. There are no standards and most people haven't a clue how to do an accurate investigation."
Perhaps a strong knowledge of Science and Scientific Methodology would help this problem.......
I would just accept a basic foundation of critical thinking - that alone would go a long way.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - lightkeeper - 02-16-2010 02:38 PM
Do you think it's the mindset they start with?
Any investigation - Paranormal, Crime or Historic entered with a
preconceived belief of the facts can end up with the results that would confirm them.
Standards for investigations would sort out the differences.
What governing body would set those standards ?
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - Bracket - 02-16-2010 03:03 PM
Is this serious?
This is what i was talking to HL about recently. There could never be a large scale exchange of knowledge because no one team can agree on how to investigate or what's haunted.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - UglyNRude - 02-16-2010 03:17 PM
(02-16-2010 03:03 PM)Bracket Wrote: Is this serious?
This is what i was talking to HL about recently. There could never be a large scale exchange of knowledge because no one team can agree on how to investigate or what's haunted.
Yes this was two actual teams investigating the same place.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - Andrasta - 02-17-2010 08:51 AM
What happened to the very simple fact that some people can go into a house and experience something almost every time they enter, yet others will go there and experience nothing? Does that mean the ones who truly experience something are lying because they haven't got a scientific background? It's unfair to assume that just because a group is formed during the "television craze" that they are less serious than a group that's been around a while.
RE: Two teams investigate and come away with different results - scarygirl67 - 02-17-2010 09:02 AM
I don't necessarily think they are lying...I do think that they are taking things that could have natural explanations and running with the paranormal theories.
I agree it isn't fair to assume that the group isn't serious...in my opinion, they aren't, but that is only my opinion. I base that on their assumption of the "sick" feelings in the basement as being paranormal in nature..and unless I missed something, they didn't even check to see what else could have been causing it. I don't see where they spent the time on it that the other team did...and in my opinion, they were too quick to say the house was haunted.
Again...I wasn't there, and you're right...I shouldn't make assumptions just with the info presented here. But from what I have to look at...I stand by what I said earlier.