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(06-18-2009 11:54 AM)TheDarkerSide Wrote: [ -> ]That is a good site. I did an interview for my radio show with Rick Moran, a journalist and investigator who was on the scene of the actual murders in Amityville. According to Rick, the whole "voices told me to do it" defense only came out of Butch Defeo after being questioned for an extended period. Non eof it appears to be true.
As per your post, the supposed indian burial or abandonment site was actually 70 miles from Amityville. There are also no records that Jerimiah Ketcham, the demonic torturer of indians from the book and the movie, ever lived in that area.
It seems to me that the entire Amityville Horror paranormal case hinges on the terribly exaggerated book bay Jay Anson and the verification of paranormal activity by Ed and Lorraine Warren, who based their porfessional lives on this case.

I'm quite sure Ronald DeFeo, Jr. did, in fact, hear voices, but they were the kind which come from being on drugs more often than not.

Whatever has been said in the book and/or movie about an Indian burial ground is news to me. I've neither seen the movie nor read the book. I have no clue who Jeremiah Ketcham was. Whatever this myth is that you're accusing me of mentioning is also something I've never heard about. I have simply drawn a conclusion that seems most plausible to me. I know nothing of anyone's claims that the house sits on land which Native Americans would have used to bury their mentally challenged people. Again, I was simply making a statement that has long seemed logical to me; without having the benefit of doing any research to determine if it's actually true.

The only bit of this story which I know to be true is what I mentioned at the start: Ronald Defeo, Jr. was under the influence of both drugs and alcohol the day he murdered his family, not a demon.

If I didn't know what I know about the house, I would love the architecture. I guess it does resemble a head stone but that would not deter me in the slightest. It just looks so interesting.

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(06-18-2009 03:29 PM)eyepriestess Wrote: [ -> ]Tame if you want to live in a house that looks like a headstone...heck!!

The scenary around it looks great but the house itself...noooo way.

I saw that documentary too and it was debunked in a big way, BUT there was too much that went off in that house which was witnessed by priests and journalists. I read alot about this before the documentary... I see another article about to be written....who by?...ME!

(06-18-2009 03:04 PM)Pitch Potter Wrote: [ -> ]It looks tame enough. I think I would like to live there.

(06-18-2009 04:11 PM)Andraste Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-18-2009 11:54 AM)TheDarkerSide Wrote: [ -> ]That is a good site. I did an interview for my radio show with Rick Moran, a journalist and investigator who was on the scene of the actual murders in Amityville. According to Rick, the whole "voices told me to do it" defense only came out of Butch Defeo after being questioned for an extended period. Non eof it appears to be true.
As per your post, the supposed indian burial or abandonment site was actually 70 miles from Amityville. There are also no records that Jerimiah Ketcham, the demonic torturer of indians from the book and the movie, ever lived in that area.
It seems to me that the entire Amityville Horror paranormal case hinges on the terribly exaggerated book bay Jay Anson and the verification of paranormal activity by Ed and Lorraine Warren, who based their porfessional lives on this case.

I'm quite sure Ronald DeFeo, Jr. did, in fact, hear voices, but they were the kind which come from being on drugs more often than not.

Whatever has been said in the book and/or movie about an Indian burial ground is news to me. I've neither seen the movie nor read the book. I have no clue who Jeremiah Ketcham was. Whatever this myth is that you're accusing me of mentioning is also something I've never heard about. I have simply drawn a conclusion that seems most plausible to me. I know nothing of anyone's claims that the house sits on land which Native Americans would have used to bury their mentally challenged people. Again, I was simply making a statement that has long seemed logical to me; without having the benefit of doing any research to determine if it's actually true.

The only bit of this story which I know to be true is what I mentioned at the start: Ronald Defeo, Jr. was under the influence of both drugs and alcohol the day he murdered his family, not a demon.

I'm not accusing you of anything. I am stating that a lot of the supposed "facts" about this case are simply not true. It was not directed at you.

(06-18-2009 03:29 PM)eyepriestess Wrote: [ -> ]I saw that documentary too and it was debunked in a big way, BUT there was too much that went off in that house which was witnessed by priests and journalists. I read alot about this before the documentary... I see another article about to be written....who by?...ME!

But you need to remember that a large percentage of people you can tell them in advance about ghosts and demons and that plants a seed in their head. As they think about what they were told that seed grows so when they enter the place they are expecting to see evil and their minds don't let them down. This is one reason a team of paranormal investigators should keep part of the team in the dark about what was reported. That way they aren't already swayed. If any of you caught the new ghost hunting teens on the cartoon network you would of seen examples of this. They were told about paranormal activity in certain areas so thats what they created. There is no way a group of 13 to 17 year olds should be doing a paranormal investigation. They screamed every chance they could.

Here is the spooky version of the house.
http://mentalfloss.cachefly.net/wp-conte...yville.jpg

UglyNRude, what would we do without you? I know sometimes you feel like you're banging your head against a wall (I kind of miss that signature you used to have!) and yet you indulge us even when you think we have our head in the clouds. Thank you for all you bring to this forum. I mean that.

(06-18-2009 06:55 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the spooky version of the house.

Yeah, now that's spooky!

I love spooky 'stuff' but it does not necessarily mean I always believe it.

I'll keep all that in mind, but i have wanted to do deep research into this for some time now.

By the way, did you ever complete that ouija board experiement you were on about in another thread?

(06-18-2009 05:45 PM)UglyNRude Wrote: [ -> ]

(06-18-2009 03:29 PM)eyepriestess Wrote: [ -> ]I saw that documentary too and it was debunked in a big way, BUT there was too much that went off in that house which was witnessed by priests and journalists. I read alot about this before the documentary... I see another article about to be written....who by?...ME!

But you need to remember that a large percentage of people you can tell them in advance about ghosts and demons and that plants a seed in their head. As they think about what they were told that seed grows so when they enter the place they are expecting to see evil and their minds don't let them down. This is one reason a team of paranormal investigators should keep part of the team in the dark about what was reported. That way they aren't already swayed. If any of you caught the new ghost hunting teens on the cartoon network you would of seen examples of this. They were told about paranormal activity in certain areas so thats what they created. There is no way a group of 13 to 17 year olds should be doing a paranormal investigation. They screamed every chance they could.

(06-19-2009 05:43 AM)eyepriestess Wrote: [ -> ]By the way, did you ever complete that ouija board experiement you were on about in another thread?

Now I had posted later in that thread that I discovered others had already done that experiment, a few different people and they got the results I had anticipated.

People with blind folds didn't select any words. They even switched teams with the same result. This just shows that the human subconscious is what controls the planchette. There is no spirit controlling what is spelled, it goes back to humans creating their own paranormal. I think the rumors of possession are created by those that believe what the bible says about it. They take it to far and have started the you'll be taken over, this grew through the years. Much like the fear that sparked the Salem witch massacre.

Acts 16:16-19
As we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and brought her owners much gain by fortune-telling. She followed Paul and us, crying out, “These men are servants of the Most High God, who proclaim to you the way of salvation.” And this she kept doing for many days. Paul, having become greatly annoyed, turned and said to the spirit, “I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her.” And it came out that very hour. But when her owners saw that their hope of gain was gone, they seized Paul and Silas and dragged them into the marketplace before the rulers.

Chronicles 10:13-14
So Saul died for his breach of faith. He broke faith with the Lord in that he did not keep the command of the Lord, and also consulted a medium, seeking guidance. He did not seek guidance from the Lord. Therefore the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David the son of Jesse.

Kings 21:6
And he burned his son as an offering and used fortune-telling and omens and dealt with mediums and with necromancers. He did much evil in the sight of the Lord, provoking him to anger.

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Deuteronomy 18:10-12
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

Deuteronomy 18:9-12
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you.

Revelation 22:15
Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Revelation 21:8
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Acts 19:18-20
Also many of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who had practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver. So the word of the Lord continued to increase and prevail mightily.

Daniel 2:27
Daniel answered the king and said, “No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers can show to the king the mystery that the king has asked,

Isaiah 47:13
You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you.

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Deuteronomy 18:10
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

Leviticus 20:27
“A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”

Exodus 22:18
“You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

You make a very good point. Things do get completely blown out of proportion. I don't believe every paranormal experience I hear. I tend to question anything as dramatic as what was portrayed in the movie "The Amityville Horror". It just seems to me that a demon would be more subtle, slowly destroying things over a period of time. I know there have been many cases of mass hysteria, not the least of which was the Salem Witch Trials.

My opinion is: in some cases there really is something unexplained going on and in some cases it's nothing. I try to give the benefit of the doubt, but I don't believe everything I hear, either.